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Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

he explained what we all now know that only decisions that the ref had made can be challeneged (unless foul play of course).
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What areas of the laws of the game are covered under 'foul play' though?
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

he explained what we all now know that only decisions that the ref had made can be challeneged (unless foul play of course).
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What areas of the laws of the game are covered under 'foul play' though?


That’s the bit I don’t get...
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Last week, Connacht captain challenged this 'unwhistled' incident - stripping the ball illegally. Which is covered in section 14.5 of the laws. It was successful, and obviously seen as foul play, Connacht won a penalty and won the game as a result.

So is there a list of laws that are seen as 'foul play' , and a list of those that aren't? We know in at the side isn't. any more? Would be good to know.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2021 at 6:16pm
In SA the new focus is to get someone carded ... something Turnbull arguably did against the Dragons a couple of weeks ago to get the game back to 14 each...not sure that was the primary aim...

Some odd outcomes to say the least,..the best one I’ve seen to date is the Stormers getting 2 players red carded and still ending up with more players on the pitch at the end than the Bulls ( I might be wrong with the Bulls, might have been the Lions) who didn’t have anyone red carded.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

he explained what we all now know that only decisions that the ref had made can be challeneged (unless foul play of course).
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What areas of the laws of the game are covered under 'foul play' though?


That’s the bit I don’t get...
No idea either, especially since Kid posted the clip above.

Another talking point on scrumv last night was the feeling that refs seemed to be letting more things go in the last 5 minutes of games as they were relying on Captains challenges picking things up. How odd if true.
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That's insane. These laws are a mess. Apparently that one above was a whistled incident which is why it could be challenged

Still don't know which transgressions are foul play though.
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Anyone see the Munster v Blues game last night.  Towards the end of the game the Munster captain was allowed to challenge Lloyd Wiliams' kicking the ball back into the ruck even though the ref missed it and the game had gone on a few phases.  So in this instance the ref allowed a caotains challendge for an unwhistled decision.  Bonkers.

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Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Anyone see the Munster v Blues game last night.  Towards the end of the game the Munster captain was allowed to challenge Lloyd Wiliams' kicking the ball back into the ruck even though the ref missed it and the game had gone on a few phases.  So in this instance the ref allowed a caotains challendge for an unwhistled decision.  Bonkers.


Last night there were captains challenges for 2 technical offences, one of which decided the game.

Yet Ken wasn't even allowed to have a review for his.

The game is governed by idiots.
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Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Anyone see the Munster v Blues game last night.  Towards the end of the game the Munster captain was allowed to challenge Lloyd Wiliams' kicking the ball back into the ruck even though the ref missed it and the game had gone on a few phases.  So in this instance the ref allowed a caotains challendge for an unwhistled decision.  Bonkers.
The TMO tried telling Brace that the ball hadn't left the ruck in the first place so Williams was entitled to do what he did. 
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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The tmo was wrong ball had left and he kicked it back in, we all saw it👍, captain challenge good idea that has been over complicated. Just let captain challenge 1 call any time simple

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  The ball had definitely left the ruck, so it was a penalty as Lloyd kicked it back in . Blues fans making hell of a fuss, nothing said about the woeful officiating us Scarlets at to endure , on there two visits to the Parc this season .

    We were not great in either game,but the officiating in both games was criminal .
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  The ball had definitely left the ruck, so it was a penalty as Lloyd kicked it back in . Blues fans making hell of a fuss, nothing said about the woeful officiating us Scarlets at to endure , on there two visits to the Parc this season .

    We were not great in either game,but the officiating in both games was criminal .
If this was against the Scarlets you would be up in arms.
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  Why you cannot kick ball into the ruck, you obviously have not watched it?? absolute stupidity .










 
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  Why you cannot kick ball into the ruck, you obviously have not watched it?? absolute stupidity .










 
The TMO thought the ball hadn’t left the ruck. Thoughts on the offence that should have been red?
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All I know is that I really don’t like the Captain’s Challenge. It’s adding on more stand and watch time to a game that is already policed by 3 on field officials plus a TMO. It’s all very negative to have players now contesting decisions as well. It’s going to encourage more of it as well. I would like it binned asap 
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The catain's challenge is not needed. It has spoiled the end of a couple of close games already.
As said earlier, there is a tmo to pick up on anything missed and a citing procedure (for what its worth) to punish any serious offences.
Just don't see the benefits of it. A captain is always going to put in some sort of challenge at the end of close games and turn an exciting finish into a farce.


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