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Heard from a reliable source that the scarlets arent going to let any acadamy players go to llandovery or the quins next year only the llanelli club side, well this stinks what is the point in us being a feeder club to them then. And what is so special about the llanelli club side we are all in the same division,
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Raving Mad
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 8:16am |
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Only confirms what we already knew, that we are only feeder clubs when they want to give someone game time otherwise they are simply not interested in us. In a way it will be better to have no links at all with them at least there would be no doubts then!
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Mole
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 11:34am |
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Why are the Scarlets funding a full time paid coach for one of the feeder clubs i.e. Scot Q to coach Llanelli premier side. Why not fund full time coaches for all 3 feeder clubs if this is their strategy, or why can't the lone paid coach be at any of the other feeder clubs? Has Gareth J and his gang forgotten where the academy players have come from, quite a few from Carmarthen and surrounding areas?? Does the pyramid system only come into play when it suits GJ and the Scarlets or is it just there so that clubs can be manipulated under the guise of regional concepts? They have often tried to kid us to buy into the Regional concept; but it now appears that our original fears have been confirmed and that this 'concept' is all for the betterment of Llanelli club side and the Scarlets, that is of course assuming that they are separate identities! Bottom line is all they wanted is our players. Please make no mistake, I do not want to inhibit the development of these young stars, but purely make a point that there are other feeder clubs can give these boys what they want [premiership rugby] whilst allowing them to give something back to their local rugby communities. SHAFTED!!
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salmidach
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 12:02pm |
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Ah right, it's a feeders system now that it suits the quins.... Just to let you know. if this is true then so what.. SQ was the full time coach of Llanelli RFC last year and if he becomes the full time coach again then so be it... Let me get this straight. You want the scarlets to PAY for your coaches... then again this is the same club that think the scarlets should pay for your Ground updates........ YOU LOT MAKE ME LAUGH MY HEAD OFF.. thanks for making a miserable day look so so bright.... |
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quinsboy
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 12:34pm |
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So tell me how do Llanelli RFC stand on the ground criteria? They dont own any ground, the rules state that they should be a separate entitiy to the Region so should find their own ground to play on or stay at stradey? before I am accused of being one eyed the same must be said of Cardiff. Llanelli/Scarlets have always been the same though when it comes to west wales, they just want a monopoly on the talent, look how many players have gone their under the promise of loads of riches/caps etc etc and have won nothing except splinters on their butt. Given who is our Director of Rugby I reckon it could be worth contacting the Ospresys to do some sort of deal with their development players. |
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Mole
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 12:54pm |
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Salmidach - I will put things into a far simpler context so that ypu may be able to cunderstand the situation. A few facts for you mate: Llanelli Scarlets and Llanelli are different - or at least they are supposed to be?? Mind you try convincing someone 5 miles from Stradey and you'll have problems! We have never had; or do we ever want any financial support for the Scarlets or Llanelli. Anyway we are probably more solvent than you. As for the Regional concept....... The Scarlets who are alledgedly different from Llanelli; have four feeder clubs Llanelli, Narberth, Llandovery and the Quins. My question is is why the Scarlets [Not Llanelli as they are a different entity] have chosen to place a paid full time coach at the Llanelli feeder club and not one of the other three?? Because if the Scarlets and Llanelli are different entities [with split funding and constituitions etc] as they are supposed to be there should be no reason for the Scarlets to chose Llanelli over any of the other feeder clubs. I know people joke about Scarlets fans being one eyed, but I have never had cause to believe it until know. I hope the above facts put things into a simpler context for you to understand. I hope you feel better informed now and maybe you will think before |
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 1:37pm |
Ha ha ha ha ha... who do you think owns Llanelli Scarlets, none other than Llanelli RFC... Crack on... you go and do that.. join the ospreys region.. fantastic.. if the rumour is true that no matter where u finish this season you'll go down.. i'm sure there won't be a single tear spilt in Llanelli.... |
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Mike
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 1:42pm |
Well I for one would be very disappointed Quins got relegated. We need to work with the likes of Quins for mutual benefits. They should also be treated no differently than the Llanelli RFC team. As far as I'm aware many Scarlets have been made available to Quins, Llandovery - as well as Llanelli. If I were a Quins supporter, I'd not get too worked up until some factual evidence is presented - I can't believe this will be the case. |
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salmidach
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 1:52pm |
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Na mike disagree... what did Gareth Jenkins state a few months ago that some of the development sides weren't grasping the idea of a feeder system, mainly quins and the fact that he was finding it diffucult to work with them it all boils down to villageism.. Carmarthen feel that they should be better than Llanelli in everything and the fact that on this one subject they have failed miserably and have looked at llanelli rfc with envious eyes for a long time they feel they don't have the rub of the green... Carmarthen have spent so much of their money on developing their team and not thought about their stadium, which in essence is a public park, that's why when i go there i refuse to pay..... Llanelli RFC have every right to employ who they wish to coach them, be it SQ or anyone else... and for them to think that the wage bill is seperated is a joke.... |
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 1:58pm |
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i didn`t think sq was going to coach the semi pros. as i understand it he is replacing moriarty. but it was nice to see such a knee jerk reaction from certain chippy people in the region. Edited by Speedy |
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Mole
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 2:11pm |
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Small minded people are the inhibitors in developing a successful Region. You accuse Carmarthen Quins of villageism, well I present factual evidence of us buying inot the Regional concept: The Quins have been applauded by GJ for supporting the concept are nurturing Ken Owens, Dominic Day, Darren Allinson, Rhys Priestland, Stuart Phillips, Craig Evans on behalf of the Region for starters. Marc O'Kelly our tighthead prop was in the European squad and we have given game time to several Scarlets players over the season. Make no bones about it we have been greatful for the above players too. I asked a simple question and you are unable to answer; please stop being small minded and replying with a load of rubbish. You are letting the rest of the Llanelli Scarlets supporters down.
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quinsboy
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 2:21pm |
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So then where do all the up and coming kids start their rugby? Do llanelli rfc or the scarlets have a junior set up no, they rely on teams like the Quins Llandovery, and the smaller sides around llanelli, to do all the ground work, get the kids interested then when they are old enough snap them up without a thank you to the clubs that have spent many man hours keeping that kid interested. It clearly states in the WRU rules that Regional sides and Club sides must be separate entities with separate constitutions as mentioned by the mole. And how we werent grasping the idea of a feeder team is beyond me, we peservered with that uselss second rown Dai Duley because GJ wanted us to and with two young good second rows on our books what type of message did that send out? We developed a cracking scrum half where is he now? With the Blues destined for big things why? because he wasn't offered a very good contract by the Scarlets what do you sign? an English Under 21 Scrum half. Aled Thomas offered a contract with the Scarlets told them he was considering joining the dragons, and gets told the next day he wasnt required anymore, what do you sign? an American Outside half. So dont come it by here on about developing players, when the Scarlets dont do it themselves, they never have always buy mediocre players from tonga, fiji america etc!!!! In my mind (and off the arguement of feeder clubs) Stephen Jones is making a big mistake going back to the Scarlets, he woul dbe better of playing in England or staying in France. |
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quinsboy
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 2:31pm |
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Sorry I have just the news that the Scarlets again have signed another non welsh player in a scottish second row!!! GREAT DEVELOPMENT BOYS CHWARAE TEG to you!!!
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salmidach
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 3:06pm |
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Pray tell, name me a decent available 2nd rower??????????????? that would compete in the Heineken cup....... |
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Posted: 08 March 2006 at 3:12pm |
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Try developing some then? or are my other comments on my earlier post to close the truth that you have chosen to ignore them? I was going to watch the Scarlets against Wasps in the cup final but wont be bothering now out of principal, same as you refuse to pay to come and watch us, which shows the lack of committment to the region again!!! |
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