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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

I'd like to think that to play for Wales you should feel Welsh. As some, who have possibly not been brought up in Wales, have pointed out they can still feel quite a strong feeling of belonging or hiraeth even when spending most of their life elsewhere. What Welsh qualification should be avoiding are carpetbaggers who have little affection or knowledge of Cymru but see playing for Wales as a lucrative, short term career move.

Too vague Dai. On that reckoning Hadleigh doesn't qualify for you as he took the money until something more lucrative came calling in Japan. 
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Is he ever going to be an actual doctor?
He went down in my estimation when after immediately qualifying as Dr  and having been supported by the Blues,  whilst he did his training, he left the club. 
Yet he is moaning about loyalty from clubs and country. 
She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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I think its unavoidable in the professional game, Its why alot of Tongan’s / New zealanders and South Africans play for other countries. Huge talent pool and only so many high paying places. Plus convenience too. To earn £20,000 - £50,000 for an autumn series in one if the big rugby nations far outweighs the £500 per game the Tongan national team were reported to be earning.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

I'd like to think that to play for Wales you should feel Welsh. As some, who have possibly not been brought up in Wales, have pointed out they can still feel quite a strong feeling of belonging or hiraeth even when spending most of their life elsewhere. What Welsh qualification should be avoiding are carpetbaggers who have little affection or knowledge of Cymru but see playing for Wales as a lucrative, short term career move.


Too vague Dai. On that reckoning Hadleigh doesn't qualify for you as he took the money until something more lucrative came calling in Japan. 


Of course, the difficulty was in knowing beforehand what his intentions were. Certainly if it was in my hands and I had foreknowledge of his later actions I would not have him near the Welsh team. This was why I earlier suggested an interview or test- not foolproof but an extra barrier for those whose aspirations are purely monetary.
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Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

I think its unavoidable in the professional game, Its why alot of Tongan’s / New zealanders and South Africans play for other countries. Huge talent pool and only so many high paying places. Plus convenience too. To earn £20,000 - £50,000 for an autumn series in one if the big rugby nations far outweighs the £500 per game the Tongan national team were reported to be earning.

Here's an idea. Why not every nation agree that a flat rate payment is made for International duty regardless of country financed through World Rugby who could levy all countries for contributions which would depend on ability to pay. 
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If you'd rather cheer on a Welsh team featuring 5/6/7 guys who spent their childhoods/teens/ early adult life living in New Zealand/SA/Aus, than a team of guys brought up locally who have links to their communities from birth, then your definition of a National team is very different to mine. 

I feel less and less of a connection and care for the Wales jersey the more I see us plucking absolutely anyone half decent, no matter where they come from. I struggle to see how my thoughts are in the minority. 
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Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

If you'd rather cheer on a Welsh team featuring 5/6/7 guys who spent their childhoods/teens/ early adult life living in New Zealand/SA/Aus, than a team of guys brought up locally who have links to their communities from birth, then your definition of a National team is very different to mine. 

I feel less and less of a connection and care for the Wales jersey the more I see us plucking absolutely anyone half decent, no matter where they come from. I struggle to see how my thoughts are in the minority. 


How many do you think there should be? 3? 1? none?
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

I think its unavoidable in the professional game, Its why alot of Tongan’s / New zealanders and South Africans play for other countries. Huge talent pool and only so many high paying places. Plus convenience too. To earn £20,000 - £50,000 for an autumn series in one if the big rugby nations far outweighs the £500 per game the Tongan national team were reported to be earning.

Here's an idea. Why not every nation agree that a flat rate payment is made for International duty regardless of country financed through World Rugby who could levy all countries for contributions which would depend on ability to pay. 
Wow now thats way too sensible for world rugby. LOL
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

If you'd rather cheer on a Welsh team featuring 5/6/7 guys who spent their childhoods/teens/ early adult life living in New Zealand/SA/Aus, than a team of guys brought up locally who have links to their communities from birth, then your definition of a National team is very different to mine. 

I feel less and less of a connection and care for the Wales jersey the more I see us plucking absolutely anyone half decent, no matter where they come from. I struggle to see how my thoughts are in the minority. 


How many do you think there should be? 3? 1? none?
None obviously. 
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Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

If you'd rather cheer on a Welsh team featuring 5/6/7 guys who spent their childhoods/teens/ early adult life living in New Zealand/SA/Aus, than a team of guys brought up locally who have links to their communities from birth, then your definition of a National team is very different to mine. 

I feel less and less of a connection and care for the Wales jersey the more I see us plucking absolutely anyone half decent, no matter where they come from. I struggle to see how my thoughts are in the minority. 


How many do you think there should be? 3? 1? none?

None obviously. 


Wow. Well I for one am glad rugby union is more inclusive that that.
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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

If a person, not brought up in Wales, aspires to represent this great nation, then a little interview or exam involving our history, and culture is called for along with a half decent attempt at Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau.
International rugby. I'd say none
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

If you'd rather cheer on a Welsh team featuring 5/6/7 guys who spent their childhoods/teens/ early adult life living in New Zealand/SA/Aus, than a team of guys brought up locally who have links to their communities from birth, then your definition of a National team is very different to mine. 

I feel less and less of a connection and care for the Wales jersey the more I see us plucking absolutely anyone half decent, no matter where they come from. I struggle to see how my thoughts are in the minority. 


How many do you think there should be? 3? 1? none?

None obviously. 


Wow. Well I for one am glad rugby union is more inclusive that that.
I'd say obviously none at international level. 
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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

If a person, not brought up in Wales, aspires to represent this great nation, then a little interview or exam involving our history, and culture is called for along with a half decent attempt at Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau.

And broadcast live at 5:59 before the news LOL

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

I'd like to think that to play for Wales you should feel Welsh. As some, who have possibly not been brought up in Wales, have pointed out they can still feel quite a strong feeling of belonging or hiraeth even when spending most of their life elsewhere. What Welsh qualification should be avoiding are carpetbaggers who have little affection or knowledge of Cymru but see playing for Wales as a lucrative, short term career move.

Completely agree with this 2nd point - International rugby does have to be about more than money, there has to be some integrity to it. 

Obviously the “feeling” a certain nationality thing is hard to define, but lots of countries have citizenship tests and I can’t see why a national team couldnt invent their own. A few verses of Men of Harlech for the non-welsh speakers 😅
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Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

If you'd rather cheer on a Welsh team featuring 5/6/7 guys who spent their childhoods/teens/ early adult life living in New Zealand/SA/Aus, than a team of guys brought up locally who have links to their communities from birth, then your definition of a National team is very different to mine. 

I feel less and less of a connection and care for the Wales jersey the more I see us plucking absolutely anyone half decent, no matter where they come from. I struggle to see how my thoughts are in the minority. 
When I watch the Scarlets, I really love the fact that so many local kids have been given the chance to perform and have an exciting career. I also love the fact that we import high quality* players to help the team succeed.

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I think a lot of Southern Hemisphere players aren’t good enough for their national teams so settle for lower tier wales. 
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

I think a lot of Southern Hemisphere players aren’t good enough for their national teams so settle for lower tier wales. 
Certainly glad that gets us players like Reggie, Sione, Parkes and McNicholl.
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