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Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

This whole 5 women on the board is absolute bull rubbish, clearly a box ticking exercise if they are employing 10 people it should be best 10 that apply for the job, and if the best 10 are women employ 10 women.
Would you welcome back Amanda Blanc?

Anyone would but that's not what the point he's trying to make is. People are screaming out for the right people in the job. If that's all male, all female or a mixture, there shouldn't be an agenda. It should be who is the best. 
Agreed.

However, with what’s gone before, there’s plenty of “porridge” to be consumed. Having been found lacking in the areas they have, the union has to show to the world that it is a much more diverse organisation and that its culture will follow a similar route.

A board that has the input of top quality entrepreneurs of whatever hue/gender will be a huge step up from Bob the Geog and similar, in terms of the £100m turnover business.
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Yes Amanda Blanc is exactly the sort of person we need to be looking at employing, she said she wasn’t listened to, it would be interesting to see what she was saying.
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Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Yes Amanda Blanc is exactly the sort of person we need to be looking at employing, she said she wasn’t listened to, it would be interesting to see what she was saying.
I think we all hope she’ll lend her expertise to the union rebirth
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In light of the debacle its totally understandable the need and demand for more female representation on the board, though a fixed quota would be wrong imo... Lets scour for the best candidates now..I hope this so called change is about far more than gender numbers though. Theres a ton of other things that need addressing too

Will this reform prise some of the power away from the clubs? What will be done about the fact our pro regions get paid a lot less than irish sides? How is the even calculated? Is there some secret barnet formula? How can they justify their non rugby related investments?  How do they intend to increase revenues beyond £100 million? I would have though having the biggest indoor stadium in europe is a facility that should make them a fortune? Whats being done to improve the semi pro league? What will be done to reduce payments to pub players in the lower leagues? In light of the covid crash , will the wru look to remortgage their assets again to raise short term funding? Any news up north? Will an RCG region be seeking to play at the newly rebuilt ryan reynolds stadium??? 

Crucially this should at least begin some improvements and start repairing damaged reputations. Crucial in growing the game and in attracting investors...Hopefully they can head hunt a few billionaires too. Theyre already rubbing shoulders with terry matthews at the parkgate hotel who's recently built the biggest convention centre in wales too, surely we can be doing more events together


Dear old ieuan and nigel I suspect do not have all the answers, but plenty of good business cliches lol Im glad walker thinks they all "violently agree" LOL  lets hope these changes and processes ask all the right questions and trawl the world for the best of the best to take us back to the topThumbs Up


Edited by roy munster - 27 March 2023 at 9:51am
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Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 

They don't get much really, think it's £50,000 each but don't quote me on that 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

In light of the debacle its totally understandable the need and demand for more female representation on the board, though a fixed quote would be wrong imo... Lets scour for the best candidates now..I hope this so called change is about far more than gender numbers though. Theres a ton of other things that need addressing too

Will this reform prise some of the power away from the clubs? What will be done about the fact our pro regions get paid a lot less than irish sides? How is the even calculated? Is there some secret barnet formula? How can they justify their non rugby related investments?  How do they intend to increase revenues beyond £100 million? I would have though having the biggest indoor stadium in europe is a facility that should make them a fortune? Whats being done to improve the semi pro league? What will be done to reduce payments to pub players in the lower leagues? In light of the covid crash , will the wru look to remortgage their assets again to raise short term funding? Any news up north? Will an RCG region be seeking to play at the newly rebuilt ryan reynolds stadium??? 

Crucially this should at least begin some improvements and start repairing damaged reputations. Crucial in growing the game and in attracting investors...Hopefully they can head hunt a few billionaires too. Theyre already rubbing shoulders with terry matthews at the parkgate hotel who's recently built the biggest convention centre in wales too, surely we can be doing more events together


Dear old ieuan and nigel I suspect do not have all the answers, but plenty of good business cliches lol Im glad walker thinks they all "violently agree" LOL  lets hope these changes and processes ask all the right questions and trawl the world for the best of the best to take us back to the topThumbs Up


A very sensible balanced viewpoint Roy.. thank you  !
We should all be overjoyed with the right decision has been made, by the clubs, but as Roy rightly points out...the hard work starts now, find a chair and CEO, to drive things forward.

A word for REALWEST and SA14 however,  I agree with the posts above above regarding the right people , regardless of gender should be targeted 
BUT, we are only in this position because some incredibly brave women spoke up and exposed sexism and misogyny, highlighting what a dinosaur the WRU was.
Its right and proper therefore, that there are designated women on that board, not sure about 5, as a set number however. They obviously would have to be suitably qualified , appropriate to what is required , with the relevant experience. There is also a need for someone with a specific  remit to speak for the women's  game, which is another issue completely
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Base the appointments purely on meritocracy. That will guarantee plenty of female involvement. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Base the appointments purely on meritocracy. That will guarantee plenty of female involvement. 

I agree. Select on merit. The 6 best candidates may be men, but one will then be rejected to get 5 women on the Board. The WRU may have painted themselves into a corner here. What if no women are currently prepared to get involved ? Some may not want to, bearing in mind what has gone on ? Some may feel that they are merely a token gesture !
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
no the welsh prem pay look at some of the guys cardiff rfc have in their team or merthyr
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
no the welsh prem pay look at some of the guys cardiff rfc have in their team or merthyr
And Aberavon and Drovers etc The Rfc are most probably the worst payers hence the worst club in the league 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Base the appointments purely on meritocracy. That will guarantee plenty of female involvement. 

I agree. Select on merit. The 6 best candidates may be men, but one will then be rejected to get 5 women on the Board. The WRU may have painted themselves into a corner here. What if no women are currently prepared to get involved ? Some may not want to, bearing in mind what has gone on ? Some may feel that they are merely a token gesture !

But what if that one man is a good candidate but the women is worse than him? 
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
no the welsh prem pay look at some of the guys cardiff rfc have in their team or merthyr

So who funds the player's wages, £50,000 a year will scaresly fund two players let alone a squad.  Or do the WRU give them all much more than that?
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How do you propose that the process decides who is better than the other
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
no the welsh prem pay look at some of the guys cardiff rfc have in their team or merthyr

So who funds the player's wages, £50,000 a year will scaresly fund two players let alone a squad.  Or do the WRU give them all much more than that?
stan and peter thomas prob fund the cardiff and merthyr players wages, guys like fish beck haberfield and allen are not playing for free. others rely on bar takings ticket sales and local sponsors like any club really. Don’t llandovery have like a camping site they own? Quins let the club house for functions etc

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Thanks 
It's hard to see how these established clubs are going to accept the WRU proposals for an 8 team elite/ development league to feed the Regions.
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