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For me, injuries permitting, the 6N should look like this
15 liam
14 LZr
13 north / foxy
12 jonny
11 adams
10 priestland but pivac will go for biggar
9 cawdor

1 wyn
2 ken / ryan
3 francis
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5 beard
6 navidi
7 basham
8 faletau / young

16 ryan / dee
17 r jones
18 wgj
19 s davies
20 jenkins
21 t williams
22 biggar
23 jonny mac
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No Rob Evans or Samson still? Are their Welsh careers over so relatively young? 🤔
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Why are Wales lucky that teams get red cards against them? It’s not luck, it’s poor discipline by the opposition & good discipline by Wales for not putting themselves into such positions. 

Ryan Elias has been great the last three games for Wales, seems to have really stepped up. 
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Why are Wales lucky that teams get red cards against them? It’s not luck, it’s poor discipline by the opposition & good discipline by Wales for not putting themselves into such positions. 

Ryan Elias has been great the last three games for Wales, seems to have really stepped up. 

Yes he has - I am so pleased for him. Time for him to start for us now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mogwen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2021 at 11:49am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

No Rob Evans or Samson still? Are their Welsh careers over so relatively young? 🤔


Thats what i think puvac will go for. I wouldnt pick half that team tbh. Rob and samson would be in my 23 everytime
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Why are Wales lucky that teams get red cards against them? It’s not luck, it’s poor discipline by the opposition & good discipline by Wales for not putting themselves into such positions. 

Ryan Elias has been great the last three games for Wales, seems to have really stepped up. 
Absolutely agree. We’d say we put the opposition under pressure if they conceded a lot of penalties or yellow cards, but somehow if it’s red it’s all luck. The truth is our discipline was better than theirs and so we won, even though they were better at pretty much everything else.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Pivac needs to sort out his 9/10/12/13 positions as currently his first choices are poor. We looked better with Cawdor & Rhys at half back but our midfield was beaten time and again by some smart attacking from two young centres. Lets not forget that Kerevi was missing along with Cooper lest we complain about our injury list.

I thought Johnny Mac went well again when he came on and Liam was solid but our back 3 was starved of opportunity because the four inside them were not capable of putting together simple handling moves. Much has been promised by Pivac of more attacking intent but I am struggling to see much end result in Stephen Jones' work. Some returning forwards should make us a little more competitive up front but until we resolve 9-13 we are going nowhere & getting North back at 13 is not going to resolve those issues. The 6 nations prospects look a little bleak. France & Ireland for me followed by England. We are a in a scrap for 4th with Scotland.

Before the game Larkham said Wales do not attack enough through and around the halfbacks and that is probably true. If you get across tge fame line there, then you gace chances wider out.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Pivac needs to sort out his 9/10/12/13 positions as currently his first choices are poor. We looked better with Cawdor & Rhys at half back but our midfield was beaten time and again by some smart attacking from two young centres. Lets not forget that Kerevi was missing along with Cooper lest we complain about our injury list.

I thought Johnny Mac went well again when he came on and Liam was solid but our back 3 was starved of opportunity because the four inside them were not capable of putting together simple handling moves. Much has been promised by Pivac of more attacking intent but I am struggling to see much end result in Stephen Jones' work. Some returning forwards should make us a little more competitive up front but until we resolve 9-13 we are going nowhere & getting North back at 13 is not going to resolve those issues. The 6 nations prospects look a little bleak. France & Ireland for me followed by England. We are a in a scrap for 4th with Scotland.

Before the game Larkham said Wales do not attack enough through and around the halfbacks and that is probably true. If you get across tge fame line there, then you gace chances wider out.
In effect a Priestland is needed!
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I’ve said it before but Pivac’s realisation from last autumn was he couldn’t waste Tipuric and Faletau in the wide channels as they’re two of his best footballers.

He brought them into the middle for the 6N and we played a really interesting attacking game with them as 2 playmaker forwards.

Given they were both unavailable this autumn those plans had to be put on hold and it’s back to just the two playmakers of 10 and 15.

JMac looked really good in that role as a 15 and then Priestland did at times, that would be an interesting combo off the bench going forward. But I’d also like to see it given more minutes.

Agree mainly with GPR, 10,12,13 still needs to be settled. For me Tomos is the best 9 but I think Hardy , and even Blacker, could be pushing for starts in the 6N.

Scrum and the centres is main work ons now. Given we’ve got Wyn, Rob, Samson, John I’d hope we work hard on that area over the next 5 weeks. 
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

No Rob Evans or Samson still? Are their Welsh careers over so relatively young? 🤔

Rob seems not to be the same player he was 18 months ago, while Samson has perennial fitness issues.
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Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Might have been Marginally better if beard didn’t have his face split open. But as good as Elias is in open play he can’t throw consistently but then which hooker that he have can.
Bar one throw yesterday which wasn’t straight Elias’ throwing in has been very good over the past three tests. Two of the lost lineouts yesterday wasn’t the hookers fault 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Pivac needs to sort out his 9/10/12/13 positions as currently his first choices are poor. We looked better with Cawdor & Rhys at half back but our midfield was beaten time and again by some smart attacking from two young centres. Lets not forget that Kerevi was missing along with Cooper lest we complain about our injury list.

I thought Johnny Mac went well again when he came on and Liam was solid but our back 3 was starved of opportunity because the four inside them were not capable of putting together simple handling moves. Much has been promised by Pivac of more attacking intent but I am struggling to see much end result in Stephen Jones' work. Some returning forwards should make us a little more competitive up front but until we resolve 9-13 we are going nowhere & getting North back at 13 is not going to resolve those issues. The 6 nations prospects look a little bleak. France & Ireland for me followed by England. We are a in a scrap for 4th with Scotland.
I agree with all of this. Only thing I will say though is that we were much worse last autumn and ended up winning the Six Nations which is a tournament where autumn form can often go out of the window. But yeah on current form we are going to  struggle 
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When are Moriarty tipuric faletau due back 
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

I’ve said it before but Pivac’s realisation from last autumn was he couldn’t waste Tipuric and Faletau in the wide channels as they’re two of his best footballers.

He brought them into the middle for the 6N and we played a really interesting attacking game with them as 2 playmaker forwards.

Given they were both unavailable this autumn those plans had to be put on hold and it’s back to just the two playmakers of 10 and 15.

JMac looked really good in that role as a 15 and then Priestland did at times, that would be an interesting combo off the bench going forward. But I’d also like to see it given more minutes.

Agree mainly with GPR, 10,12,13 still needs to be settled. For me Tomos is the best 9 but I think Hardy , and even Blacker, could be pushing for starts in the 6N.

Scrum and the centres is main work ons now. Given we’ve got Wyn, Rob, Samson, John I’d hope we work hard on that area over the next 5 weeks. 

If our scrum doesn't improve substantially the game in Dublin will be a very tough day. With regard to scrum half I have to disagree with you slightly. Tomas is clearly now No 1 with Pivac but frankly I see nothing to get excited about. Box kicking, defence, passing ability are all very average.

In his favour is that all his main challengers are no better in many aspects - however I go back to when Wales, under Edwards, used Cawdor's lightening speed and aggressive nature to often lead the defensive charge which resulted in opposition 10/12 breakdown and some wonderful interception scores. That ability marks him out, for me, as our best option because he is no better or worse than the others in box kicking and service. Hardy has gone backwards this season and I would select Blacker ahead of him at the moment. 

Unless Pivac changes direction, which he doesn't show signs of, he is going to select an average 9, a 10 whose first thought is to kick & a 12/13 who cannot manage to close the defensive line or manage straight forward catch and give to release a very dangerous back 3. Not very encouraging. 
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Bit of a mixed bag all in all, if you'd offered me 2 wins & running the Bok's so close beforehand I think I would have taken it.


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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Bit of a mixed bag all in all, if you'd offered me 2 wins & running the Bok's so close beforehand I think I would have taken it.




Yes mixed bag is fair & a lot of new faces have been given time. What I find quite depressing though is that we can only be described to be on a slight downward curve whereas our European competitors are certainly not. Scotland are continuing to improve albeit slowly but now have a strong defence & good half backs; France are a coming World force; Ireland have gone to a level I have never seen from them before & England have done a big u-turn in response to last year's 6 nations and have given young guys great chances with, for me, the pick of the bunch being Freddie Steward who would not be out of place wearing the Lions 15 shirt. 

I remain convinced that 4th in this year's tournament is the limit of my expectations - the only saving grace for me is that I said that last year as well. 
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