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I think the injury to McNicholl has highlighted a squad weakness which I hope we are working on addressing for next season. Most on here seem to agree that Rogers is more suited to 15 than wing so if we do the right thing & select him at 15 we are left with a compromise to make elsewhere. Sadly Steff Evans does not possess the top end pace a winger should ideally have so we are left with Baldwin who has done nothing wrong when asked to play there previously.

However in the absence of Joe Roberts, Baldwin is the natural choice at 13 with Foxy sadly not looking as if he is going to re-capture his glory days. Therein lies our compromise. The omens are not great for Halfpenny returning to Lions form any time soon so we really do need to invest in an out and out winger leaving Rogers as our first choice 15 with McNicholl as his replacement & Nicholas next inline. 
The weaknesses caused by us releasing a hat full of players with no one obviously brought in to replace them. E.g Tomi Lewis is now playing really well for Jersey. Lets hope he comes back like Hardy did. He was our next big thing before injury, then discarded. Fully appreciate budgets etc but to use a retail analogy, we still need stock on the shelves to create sales.

Tough choices for sure had to be made. It will take Dwayne another full season to get the squad balance, which he inherited, somewhere near to what he needs/wants. I didn't see much of Tomi Lewis I have to say but others have commented. Would his ability outweigh Steff Evans for instance. That was a call made by Dwayne. I am surprised that a player like Jonah Holmes was allowed to leave Welsh rugby. Whenever we played the Dragons he was a real handful. 
Agree about Jonah, should never have left really but who know what actually went on behind the scenes. For Tomi, big and genuinely fast, something we havent had for a while. Had lots of promise, scored 2 for Jersey last weekend.
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My reasons for picking Rhys at 15 are simple, Steff Evz doesn’t cut it for me and either kicks the ball away needlessly or makes silly mistakes that results in pens or yellow cards. I’ve gone for Corey over Foxy as he needs a run at 13. Kieran over Cawdor just because he is much gives a much quicker service.
Forwards pretty much pick themselves and for the bench I’ve put Foxy as I don’t know how bad Scott’s injury is, I’ve put Ioan to cover wing/FB as Patchell can cover 10z
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Wouldn't the squad look better with Doel and O'Brian in it now?
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Wouldn't the squad look better with Doel and O'Brian in it now?

I really can’t understand why we released Angus.
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15 Patchell 14 Tom 13 Baldwin 12 JBW 11 Ryan 10 Sam 9 hardy
1 Wyn 2 Ryan 3 Javan 4 Fifita 5 Sam L (C) 6 Blade 7 Josh 8 Kal.

16 Daf 17 Steff 18 Harri 19 Morgan Jones 20 Jac Price 21 Cawdor 22 Foxy 23 Nicholas

My reasons for picking Rhys at 15 are simple, Steff Evz doesn’t cut it for me and either kicks the ball away needlessly or makes silly mistakes that results in pens or yellow cards. I’ve gone for Corey over Foxy as he needs a run at 13. Kieran over Cawdor just because he is much gives a much quicker service.
Forwards pretty much pick themselves and for the bench I’ve put Foxy as I don’t know how bad Scott’s injury is, I’ve put Ioan to cover wing/FB as Patchell can cover 10z


I think your logic is spot on .Ironic,though,that Patch left Cardiff cos he didn't want to be shifted to full back
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Wouldn't the squad look better with Doel and O'Brian in it now?

I really can’t understand why we released Angus.

Obviously I don't know the ins & outs but it could well be that he wanted to move so he could get more game time.
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I really can’t understand why we released Angus.
He was way down the pecking order at 10 & 15, and wasn’t selected much last season. He started for the Dragons last weekend. It would’ve been nice to keep him as a backup, but that was the right move for him. 
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The weaknesses caused by us releasing a hat full of players with no one obviously brought in to replace them. E.g Tomi Lewis is now playing really well for Jersey. Lets hope he comes back like Hardy did. He was our next big thing before injury, then discarded. Fully appreciate budgets etc but to use a retail analogy, we still need stock on the shelves to create sales.

Tough choices for sure had to be made. It will take Dwayne another full season to get the squad balance, which he inherited, somewhere near to what he needs/wants. I didn't see much of Tomi Lewis I have to say but others have commented. Would his ability outweigh Steff Evans for instance. That was a call made by Dwayne.
For Tomi, big and genuinely fast, something we havent had for a while. Had lots of promise, scored 2 for Jersey last weekend.
Tomi Lewis is fast and has decent agility, but is very weak in contact. I expect the club concluded that no amount of weights would bring him up to the required strength level. 
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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

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The weaknesses caused by us releasing a hat full of players with no one obviously brought in to replace them. E.g Tomi Lewis is now playing really well for Jersey. Lets hope he comes back like Hardy did. He was our next big thing before injury, then discarded. Fully appreciate budgets etc but to use a retail analogy, we still need stock on the shelves to create sales.

Tough choices for sure had to be made. It will take Dwayne another full season to get the squad balance, which he inherited, somewhere near to what he needs/wants. I didn't see much of Tomi Lewis I have to say but others have commented. Would his ability outweigh Steff Evans for instance. That was a call made by Dwayne.
For Tomi, big and genuinely fast, something we havent had for a while. Had lots of promise, scored 2 for Jersey last weekend.
Tomi Lewis is fast and has decent agility, but is very weak in contact. I expect the club concluded that no amount of weights would bring him up to the required strength level. 

......and if you favour strength in contact ahead of speed and agility,what you end up with is a squad full of centres with no pace out wide.That's flawed logic that betrays a lack of respect for positional play.Probably fits in with the politics though.


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15 Patchell 14 Tom 13 Baldwin 12 JBW 11 Ryan 10 Sam 9 hardy
1 Wyn 2 Ryan 3 Javan 4 Fifita 5 Sam L (C) 6 Blade 7 Josh 8 Kal.

16 Daf 17 Steff 18 Harri 19 Morgan Jones 20 Jac Price 21 Cawdor 22 Foxy 23 Nicholas

My reasons for picking Rhys at 15 are simple, Steff Evz doesn’t cut it for me and either kicks the ball away needlessly or makes silly mistakes that results in pens or yellow cards. I’ve gone for Corey over Foxy as he needs a run at 13. Kieran over Cawdor just because he is much gives a much quicker service.
Forwards pretty much pick themselves and for the bench I’ve put Foxy as I don’t know how bad Scott’s injury is, I’ve put Ioan to cover wing/FB as Patchell can cover 10z



I think your logic is spot on .Ironic,though,that Patch left Cardiff cos he didn't want to be shifted to full back
Yeah I agree, it was interesting reading Dwayne’s comments that he picked Sam and Dan on merit and that Patchell wasn’t injured. I could be reading into it too much.
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Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by Scrletsfan32x Scrletsfan32x wrote:

15 Patchell 14 Tom 13 Baldwin 12 JBW 11 Ryan 10 Sam 9 hardy
1 Wyn 2 Ryan 3 Javan 4 Fifita 5 Sam L (C) 6 Blade 7 Josh 8 Kal.

16 Daf 17 Steff 18 Harri 19 Morgan Jones 20 Jac Price 21 Cawdor 22 Foxy 23 Nicholas

My reasons for picking Rhys at 15 are simple, Steff Evz doesn’t cut it for me and either kicks the ball away needlessly or makes silly mistakes that results in pens or yellow cards. I’ve gone for Corey over Foxy as he needs a run at 13. Kieran over Cawdor just because he is much gives a much quicker service.
Forwards pretty much pick themselves and for the bench I’ve put Foxy as I don’t know how bad Scott’s injury is, I’ve put Ioan to cover wing/FB as Patchell can cover 10z



I think your logic is spot on .Ironic,though,that Patch left Cardiff cos he didn't want to be shifted to full back
Yeah I agree, it was interesting reading Dwayne’s comments that he picked Sam and Dan on merit and that Patchell wasn’t injured. I could be reading into it too much.

Patch at his best had some great attributes,but lacked speed off the mark,which Sam has in abundance.Patch is no longer the player he was either,I reckon.
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...if you favour strength in contact ahead of speed and agility,what you end up with is a squad full of centres with no pace out wide.That's flawed logic that betrays a lack of respect for positional play.Probably fits in with the politics though.
Rogers has speed and agility. He’s also strong in contact. Lewis isn’t. His upsides are outweighed by his downsides. 

There isn’t much space on a rugby field and players who get rag dolled in contact don’t make it to the top level no matter how fast they are. 
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...if you favour strength in contact ahead of speed and agility,what you end up with is a squad full of centres with no pace out wide.That's flawed logic that betrays a lack of respect for positional play.Probably fits in with the politics though.
Rogers has speed and agility. He’s also strong in contact. Lewis isn’t. His upsides are outweighed by his downsides. 

There isn’t much space on a rugby field and players who get rag dolled in contact don’t make it to the top level no matter how fast they are. 

Bit of a one-dimensional view of the game,there.As much as the Bokke,for example,love the physical stuff,Kolbe could never be thought of as a product of the thinking you outline.I thought Scarlet rugby was about avoiding contact,creating space,and having the speed to take advantage of it.Even the Italians have cottoned on to that-their very own rag doll won the game for them in Cardiff.
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...if you favour strength in contact ahead of speed and agility,what you end up with is a squad full of centres with no pace out wide.That's flawed logic that betrays a lack of respect for positional play.Probably fits in with the politics though.
Rogers has speed and agility. He’s also strong in contact. Lewis isn’t. His upsides are outweighed by his downsides. 

There isn’t much space on a rugby field and players who get rag dolled in contact don’t make it to the top level no matter how fast they are. 

Bit of a one-dimensional view of the game,there.As much as the Bokke,for example,love the physical stuff,Kolbe could never be thought of as a product of the thinking you outline.I thought Scarlet rugby was about avoiding contact,creating space,and having the speed to take advantage of it.Even the Italians have cottoned on to that-their very own rag doll won the game for them in Cardiff.

Boys I think we are all more or less saying the same things here. Pace is non negotiable particularly at 11, 13, 14 & 15. I totally get Scarletsfan's idea of playing Patchell at 15 which solves my dilemma of wanting to play Baldwin at 13 but means we are not playing our best 15 at 15. Patchell has many excellent attributes at 15 with a booming kicking game and top end pace ( at least he used to before all these setbacks). 

As for the discussion around O'Brien, Doel & Tomi I would imagine Doel would be ahead of Tomi whose defensive frailty was a worry. For me I would have selected O'Brien ahead of Dan Jones everytime but clearly Dwayne didn't agree. Time & injuries are catching up with a large part of our squad so I would get prepared to see a lot of players leaving this season - Foxy, Halfpenny, Ken, Phil Price, Rawlins & Sione. 
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Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

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...if you favour strength in contact ahead of speed and agility,what you end up with is a squad full of centres with no pace out wide.That's flawed logic that betrays a lack of respect for positional play.Probably fits in with the politics though.
Rogers has speed and agility. He’s also strong in contact. Lewis isn’t. His upsides are outweighed by his downsides. 

There isn’t much space on a rugby field and players who get rag dolled in contact don’t make it to the top level no matter how fast they are. 

Bit of a one-dimensional view of the game,there.As much as the Bokke,for example,love the physical stuff,Kolbe could never be thought of as a product of the thinking you outline.I thought Scarlet rugby was about avoiding contact,creating space,and having the speed to take advantage of it.Even the Italians have cottoned on to that-their very own rag doll won the game for them in Cardiff.
Kolbe is a little powerhouse. He is plenty strong enough for top level rugby. 

Nearly all wings try and avoid contact, and love to run in space. Contact is inevitable though and he has to be strong enough to retain possession, remain on his feet until support arrives, not get driven back so that we can get front-foot ball for the next phase, make his tackles, be an effective bridge at a ruck to keep possession etc. I don’t see him as being strong enough to do those things, and a flashy break every few matches isn’t enough to compensate for that.  

Lewis looks like a specialist 7s player to me. Good luck to him at Jersey, and I hope he proves me wrong. I can’t see it happening though. 

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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:


The weaknesses caused by us releasing a hat full of players with no one obviously brought in to replace them. E.g Tomi Lewis is now playing really well for Jersey. Lets hope he comes back like Hardy did. He was our next big thing before injury, then discarded. Fully appreciate budgets etc but to use a retail analogy, we still need stock on the shelves to create sales.

Tough choices for sure had to be made. It will take Dwayne another full season to get the squad balance, which he inherited, somewhere near to what he needs/wants. I didn't see much of Tomi Lewis I have to say but others have commented. Would his ability outweigh Steff Evans for instance. That was a call made by Dwayne.
For Tomi, big and genuinely fast, something we havent had for a while. Had lots of promise, scored 2 for Jersey last weekend.
Tomi Lewis is fast and has decent agility, but is very weak in contact. I expect the club concluded that no amount of weights would bring him up to the required strength level. 

......and if you favour strength in contact ahead of speed and agility,what you end up with is a squad full of centres with no pace out wide.That's flawed logic that betrays a lack of respect for positional play.Probably fits in with the politics though.

Which is almost what we have. Its been years since we had proper scarlet speed merchants out wide. Setting the specs for a position is why Wales have props who cant prop but are good in the loose......
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