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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

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You can't change history - don't apologise for it, learn from it. 

Yes learn. Apologise? - when it matters to people. There's no wrong in that. But it is our actions as a people now that count and we should do what we can collectively with other nations to build a better world. All in bois, all in!

Who would be doing the apologising?

There are examples like in that documentary like where colonialists stole things, like statues from Benin. That’s fine if the country or culture want them returned, and countries like Benin or Nigeria have the capacity to safeguard them, then it’s reasonable to return them. 

But I’m not sure it’s in anyone’s court to apologise - the guy making that doc was as much a beneficiary of the British empire as anyone else - should he be apologising? Likewise the guy related to Clive of India - should he be apologising, what for? The average UKIP voter, should they be apologising - who to and what for? 

It’s a bit of a pointless exercise to apologise for actions you had no say in.

Government on behalf of the state would seem sensible. To my mind what matters more is how our state engages on the international stage. What can be done now to improve matters across the board? An official apology in that context can go a long way diplomatically to opening up constructive avenues of cooperation and assisting other states in their development.

Kevin Rudd did something similar in 2008 on behalf of the Australian government to Aboriginals. They’ve also had an annua Sorry day since 1998. What progress has that achieved with regard to aboriginal wellbeing?
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So, dyniol, the whole "sorry day" is a publicity stunt to give the impression that something is being done and it is not backed by any social or economic improvement for the victims.
It's a very sorry day in more ways than one.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote totallybiasedscarlet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2021 at 6:09pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

You can't change history - don't apologise for it, learn from it. 

Yes learn. Apologise? - when it matters to people. There's no wrong in that. But it is our actions as a people now that count and we should do what we can collectively with other nations to build a better world. All in bois, all in!

Who would be doing the apologising?

There are examples like in that documentary like where colonialists stole things, like statues from Benin. That’s fine if the country or culture want them returned, and countries like Benin or Nigeria have the capacity to safeguard them, then it’s reasonable to return them. 

But I’m not sure it’s in anyone’s court to apologise - the guy making that doc was as much a beneficiary of the British empire as anyone else - should he be apologising? Likewise the guy related to Clive of India - should he be apologising, what for? The average UKIP voter, should they be apologising - who to and what for? 

It’s a bit of a pointless exercise to apologise for actions you had no say in.

Government on behalf of the state would seem sensible. To my mind what matters more is how our state engages on the international stage. What can be done now to improve matters across the board? An official apology in that context can go a long way diplomatically to opening up constructive avenues of cooperation and assisting other states in their development.

Kevin Rudd did something similar in 2008 on behalf of the Australian government to Aboriginals. They’ve also had an annua Sorry day since 1998. What progress has that achieved with regard to aboriginal wellbeing?

Indeed, but as I said, it's what the state does that counts more than what it says. Where an apology makes a difference, where it's merited of course it should be offered. But it should never whitewash over a lack of genuine action.
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"Thoughts and prayers" springs to mind.
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The state can apologise for it’s actions if it so wishes, joe public in the street had s@d all to do with what the uk govt did some 200 years ago, we have nothing to apologise for. I wouldn’t expect the danes to apologise for viking raids , the romans for their conquest of the uk or even the germans for the nazis in ww2.  And what good would it do if we made one? I’m sure starving people are more concerned with getting  fed than some words from a politician a thousand miles away. If people really want make a difference sponsor a kiddie in africa or set up a direct debit to help aid works going on in the third world

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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

The state can apologise for it’s actions if it so wishes, joe public in the street had s@d all to do with what the uk govt did some 200 years ago, we have nothing to apologise for. I wouldn’t expect the danes to apologise for viking raids , the romans for their conquest of the uk or even the germans for the nazis in ww2.  And what good would it do if we made one? I’m sure starving people are more concerned with getting  fed than some words from a politician a thousand miles away. If people really want make a difference sponsor a kiddie in africa or set up a direct debit to help aid works going on in the third world


While your government sends aircraft carriers which cost billions of pounds to the far east to try to scare the Chinese who really do know how to lift hundreds of millions from extreme poverty without subjugating other peoples.
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Id ask the people of hong kong or those muslims put in internment camps about the merits of chinese democracy. Tianmem square still fresh in peoples memories
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Hong Kong was taken from the China in the Opium wars, which you may not know, was fought when the Chinese tried to stop the British from destroying Chinese society by selling opium (heroin/smack) to it's people. It was then run as every other colony with no democracy or any sign of it until we had to hand it back to China, when all of a sudden UK propagandists suddenly became very obsessed with the fact that the western style "democracy" would not be on the cards.
There are some muslim terrorists detained in eastern China- the bit that borders on Afghanistan but western propaganda as usual grossly exaggerates to suit it's aims. At least they don't illegally occupy parts of another state like the US torture camp in Guantanamo, Cuba.
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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Hong Kong was taken from the China in the Opium wars, which you may not know, was fought when the Chinese tried to stop the British from destroying Chinese society by selling opium (heroin/smack) to it's people. It was then run as every other colony with no democracy or any sign of it until we had to hand it back to China, when all of a sudden UK propagandists suddenly became very obsessed with the fact that the western style "democracy" would not be on the cards.
There are some muslim terrorists detained in eastern China- the bit that borders on Afghanistan but western propaganda as usual grossly exaggerates to suit it's aims. At least they don't illegally occupy parts of another state like the US torture camp in Guantanamo, Cuba.
if i hated the country as much as you do i'd consider moving.Wink
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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Hong Kong was taken from the China in the Opium wars, which you may not know, was fought when the Chinese tried to stop the British from destroying Chinese society by selling opium (heroin/smack) to it's people. It was then run as every other colony with no democracy or any sign of it until we had to hand it back to China, when all of a sudden UK propagandists suddenly became very obsessed with the fact that the western style "democracy" would not be on the cards.
There are some muslim terrorists detained in eastern China- the bit that borders on Afghanistan but western propaganda as usual grossly exaggerates to suit it's aims. At least they don't illegally occupy parts of another state like the US torture camp in Guantanamo, Cuba.
now your a firm advocate of regions having automony hong kong want to be an indeoendent nation and not under communist china rule. As for china and wars lets be honest if not for the us and uk they’d still be under japanese rule as you well knowWink
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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Hong Kong was taken from the China in the Opium wars, which you may not know, was fought when the Chinese tried to stop the British from destroying Chinese society by selling opium (heroin/smack) to it's people. It was then run as every other colony with no democracy or any sign of it until we had to hand it back to China, when all of a sudden UK propagandists suddenly became very obsessed with the fact that the western style "democracy" would not be on the cards.
There are some muslim terrorists detained in eastern China- the bit that borders on Afghanistan but western propaganda as usual grossly exaggerates to suit it's aims. At least they don't illegally occupy parts of another state like the US torture camp in Guantanamo, Cuba.

Why has the birth rate in Xinjang’s Uighur population fallen by 24% in a year. We’re the few locked up terrorists responsible for a quarter of the births?

How do the Tibetans feel about occupation?
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Ladram my country is Cymru ,currently still annexed by England but with some autonomy - probably a little less than Tibet which is an autonomous region of China.
The population of peoples with a very high birth rates usually decrease as their social and economic well-being improves and better health services enable more children to survive.
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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Ladram my country is Cymru ,currently still annexed by England but with some autonomy - probably a little less than Tibet which is an autonomous region of China.
The population of peoples with a very high birth rates usually decrease as their social and economic well-being improves and better health services enable more children to survive.

It doesn’t fall 24% in a year unless women are being forcibly sterilised 
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One party state, harsh treatment of various religions and a woeful human rights record china have more than their share of issues to address, the west is far from perfect but so are this mob. Btw amy one heard from that tennis player lately?

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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

One party state, harsh treatment of various religions and a woeful human rights record china have more than their share of issues to address, the west is far from perfect but so are this mob. Btw amy one heard from that tennis player lately?


You can try
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/12/the-missing-star-athlete-peng-shuai-is-not-missing-at-all.html#more
although if its not a reputable western propaganda source like the Daily Mail or BBC you probably won't believe it.
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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

One party state, harsh treatment of various religions and a woeful human rights record china have more than their share of issues to address, the west is far from perfect but so are this mob. Btw amy one heard from that tennis player lately?


You can try
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/12/the-missing-star-athlete-peng-shuai-is-not-missing-at-all.html#more
although if its not a reputable western propaganda source like the Daily Mail or BBC you probably won't believe it.

To protect her from ongoing privacy invasions surely you’d go for “tennis star signs autographs with fans” rather than “there’s no way a hostage could get on a zoom call with the international Olympic committee. Now respect her privacy.”

Where are the 2022 Winter Olympics being held?
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