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GPR - Rochester ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Offline Points: 14673 |
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Of course we don't have to agree but the least we should expect is to be quoted accurately. "constraints placed on individual member states which contributed, in part, to the demise of our once great Steel Industry" Those were the words I used yesterday - does not read like me blaming the EU for the demise more like playing a part which is what I said. As for your inference that NATO is on its last legs because of the state of American politics - this beggers belief. NATO and the strong alliances forged since the 2nd World War have been the single most reason for security in the Northern Hemisphere which has survived regardless of the US leadership. Trump, in many ways, was a fool but one of the things he did get right was calling out many European countries for not living up to their financial commitments. As fro Macron suggesting that NATO is brain dead my temptation is to say well it takes one to know one.........
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GPR - Rochester ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Offline Points: 14673 |
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"There have been far too many mistakes made by British governments over the years to list but the asset stripping away of our ability to manufacture is by far the greatest. Coal, steel, shipbuilding, automotive, water, power ....... the list goes on. "
In further support of my point in my last post above is a post made yesterday on another thread. No mention made of the EU in this one by the way.
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totallybiasedscarlet ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 August 2014 Location: Llanelli Status: Offline Points: 2684 |
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Yes I saw what you wrote GPR. You keep telling us stuff that we all heard during the referendum campaign. It was hyperbole then, it still is now. You like to tell us that Brexit is a good idea, how undemocratic the EU is and how bad it was for us, yet none of it is true. You might think it's true but I think you were sold a pup ... like a great many were to be fair. You bemoaned Johnson's handling of Brexit and posited that opportunities are being missed. What did you think Brexit was about? I guess any person can say what it was about for them personally but perhaps we ought to look at the personalities and money behind the Leave campaign ... then it becomes perfectly apparent what it was about. Like I said, you can't seperate Brexit from this government and their backers. It's their project, their mandate and their motives. I didn't like what I saw in the run up to 2016 and I like it even less now. These people are taking you and I and all the rest of us for a ride. Our problems are, for the greatest part, a consequence of dire domestic governance and not the EU. So yes, I do think the electorate made a big dumb mistake and I'm not afraid to say it. I can only hope that it's put a few more nails in the UK coffin so we can get on with the job of rebuilding Wales and doing a decent job of it.
If my opinion upsets you, so be it. I don't mean to personally upset you. I respect you but I don't have to like what you say or voted for. I'm sure you feel likewise.
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GPR - Rochester ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Offline Points: 14673 |
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No worries TBS - nothing on this forum would ever upset me - I understand & respect all views held whether I agree or not. My views on the EU have been long held and have absolutely nothing to do with the Brexit campaign waged in the run up to the referendum. |
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aber-fan ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 October 2004 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 17340 |
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More 'good Brexit news' - not.
I think that the farmers voted for Brexit - is that right? If so, they are yet another group who clearly regret doing so. This is from the President of the NFU: The government has shown a “total lack of understanding of how food production works”, introduced “completely contradictory policies” on farming, and risks “repeatedly running into crises” through the lack of a post-Brexit plan for UK farming, the leading representative of British farmers will say today. Minette Batters, president of the National Farmers’ Union, will make a scathing attack on ministers’ failures, unprecedented in recent memory in its ferocity from a farming leader. Her withering assessment of the government’s actions reflects widespread anger and alarm among many sections of the UK’s farming and food production industries, one of the country’s biggest manufacturing industries and employers. Farmers have suffered from plunging exports and reams of new red tape owing to Brexit, staff shortages as EU seasonal workers have left, and the prospect of floods of cheap low-quality imports after post-Brexit trade deals. We haven't got to the death of the first-born - yet - but I'm keeping an eye out...
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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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dr_martinov ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 August 2005 Location: Tycoch Status: Offline Points: 12758 |
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Majority of farmers supported Brexit, the NFU did not: I'm sure we'd all agree the Tories are making a pig's ear of things.
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