The Brexit bonus...

totallybiasedscarlet wrote: GPR - Rochester wrote: totallybiasedscarlet wrote: GPR - Rochester wrote: totallybiasedscarlet wrote: RR1972 wrote: Your mixing up logic and the people who vote in the uk  Damit, I knew there was a flaw  I can advise you TBS that is not the only flaw in your argument. Putting the current cost of living increases at the door of Brexit is really stretching credibility to the limit. You may have noticed since early 2020 that we, along with the rest of the World, have been suffering at the hands of Covid. The damage to economies all over the world has been catastrophic. The Uk economy is growing as much if not faster than all other European economies so to paint the repercussions of Brexit as you are is incorrect.  That's wrong GPR. Your bias is showing through. Data shows the UK economy fell harder and is further behind pre pandemic levels than other economies. It has also been shown that Brexit is exacerbating inflation, bringing in additional costs on top of those all countries are experiencing. You are also mischaracterising what I said (and you say I'm stretching credibility). Brexit isn't soley responsible - it is making things worse.  My bias is showing through - thats a good one TBS. Have a little read back through the last 20 pages or so if you want to see bias. I did not say that the EU ruined our steel industry - read my comment - in part. I am already on record recently as saying that the de-industrialisation of the Uk over the past 20/30 years has been our biggest mistake by far. As for a European defence alliance - we already have one its called NATO. Why do we need another expensive layer???? Comments like the British people will have to suffer the consequences of their Brexit decision is the absolute worse case of bias - clearly your opinion matters more & is worth more than 54% of the voting public.  Yes, all the comments lifted from the Leave campaign. All dishonest propaganda that you appear to have fallen for. Plenty of bias there. And you did blame the EU for the demise of the Steel industry. I did read your comment. That's why I refuted it. As for NATO, did you not notice the noises coming out of America under Trump? America's reliability as a partner has been undermined by his administration. It's only a matter of time until the Republicans get in power again and just take a look at the state on them. On top of that you've got the French President calling NATO "brain dead" ... Europe would be wise to ensure it can defend itself without US support if necessary.  As for my comment about the public sufferring the consequences of Brexit ... what? Do you think it's arrogant to point out the facts? Leave voters were all either complicit or duped. Don't shoot the messenger. And yes, people are suffering as a consequence of this vote. Well I hope people learn from their mistake. Is my opinion more important than theirs ... my opinion counts as much as my vote. And that's just it isn't it GPR ... an opinion. Like I said before, we don't have to agree do we.

Yes I saw what you wrote GPR. You keep telling us stuff that we all heard during the referendum campaign. It was hyperbole then, it still is now. You like to tell us that Brexit is a good idea, how undemocratic the EU is and how bad it was for us, yet none of it is true. You might think it's true but I think you were sold a pup ... like a great many were to be fair. You bemoaned Johnson's handling of Brexit and posited that opportunities are being missed. What did you think Brexit was about? I guess any person can say what it was about for them personally but perhaps we ought to look at the personalities and money behind the Leave campaign ... then it becomes perfectly apparent what it was about. Like I said, you can't seperate Brexit from this government and their backers. It's their project, their mandate and their motives. I didn't like what I saw in the run up to 2016 and I like it even less now. These people are taking you and I and all the rest of us for a ride. Our problems are, for the greatest part, a consequence of dire domestic governance and not the EU. So yes, I do think the electorate made a big dumb mistake and I'm not afraid to say it. I can only hope that it's put a few more nails in the UK coffin so we can get on with the job of rebuilding Wales and doing a decent job of it.

More 'good Brexit news' - not.

This is a fascinating video by the FT taking a look at Brexit and its real world implications:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO2lWmgEK1Y

Oracle wrote: full independence for Scotland and Wales is the only answer....we have seen the disregard from West minster regarding devolution and I dont think any of us want to go through this type of disaster in 7 years time again

I wouldn't describe myself as pro independence prior to the last couple of years but I have to say that I am far nearer voting for it than at any time in the past. There comes a tipping point when Westminster incompetence outweighs the "brains trust" in Cardiff Bay. My word what a choice - any vacancies in NK Oracle?????

Oracle wrote: So you are saying staying with the status quo is the best option ....iesu if that was the case we would still be living in caves , or possible still swimming around the seas

Oracle wrote: If you have businesses, rejoining the European market his would be the biggest improvement for us....that in itself would increase the wealth of our country .(its the elephant in the room for labour and the torys.) Removal of crown estate control over our natural resources would be massive for us ...with wind and water power we could generate electricity to the point where everyone in wales could have free electricity and we still could export 50%. With our tax being spent on our own population, we could very easily increase the quality of life for everyone the country  Oil terminal supplying england , with charges for the services Water will be the new oil in the near future , drought levels are growing , we already have Thames water, taking water from welsh resevoirs.. These are only a few points that come to me immediately,  im sure a lot of more people can add the positives for independence  We have been told for years how worthless we are and how we can't survive without england  , but when analysing the facts behind the statements , then you can see the lies that we have endured for decades