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Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

I'm not fussed either way on it myself but if it helps the theatre of it all then probably worth it carrying on.

I find Ireland having 2 anthems more annoying, and they love a dignitaries meet and greet.
That's in case they forget one Wink
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

I'm not fussed either way on it myself but if it helps the theatre of it all then probably worth it carrying on.

I find Ireland having 2 anthems more annoying, and they love a dignitaries meet and greet.
That's in case they forget one Wink
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Personally, I love seeing the Haka - great theatre.

I have to say that it is the formal singing of the anthems that I find tedious - in all international sports. Having said that, l only ever get to watch the games on TV. Maybe it is different if you are at the stadium.
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As a compromise, the Haka should be done before the anthems so no advantage is gained. As a study (from Queensland maybe?) suggested, it confers a very small advantage at the start of the game which can be crucial at elite level.
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AFAIK, it was started during a long-ago tour to add to the theatre and entertainment for the crowd, and if so it was done away from home first. I am a little fed up with it by now... maybe they should save it for occasional games (but how to choose?) 

I also agree about other delays for 'dignitaries'; having two anthems seems like cheating - SA do that as well, I think.

Am I right that the ABs don't get to 'haka' at the RWC? If they are, then that is definitely wrong in terms of gaining an unfair (if small) advantage.
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Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Just thought I'd throw this thought in here for debate 

Anyone else getting a bit bored of it all now. Every time the all blacks play we have a haka. It's all becoming a bit predictable and commercial.

Maybe just me but it also winds me up that they get to perform it away from home, and seem to have some sort of power as to how opposing teams should react. They didn't like it when wales stared them down a few years back, I thought it was all about laying down a challenge and the opposition accepting it.

Personally, I wouldn't do away with it, but I'd like to see it performed only when they are playing on home soil. 

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How is the haka commercial?
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It's become, for many but not all, an irritation. I have no problem with NZ or any of the Pacific teams performing it on their own soil  but insisting that the opposition shows 'respect', whatever that is, and insisting we have to put up with it when they play away is just wrong. It's been used for mind games for too long and we should, quite politely, tell NZ where to shove it.
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Just thought I'd throw this thought in here for debate 

Anyone else getting a bit bored of it all now. Every time the all blacks play we have a haka. It's all becoming a bit predictable and commercial.

Maybe just me but it also winds me up that they get to perform it away from home, and seem to have some sort of power as to how opposing teams should react. They didn't like it when wales stared them down a few years back, I thought it was all about laying down a challenge and the opposition accepting it.

Personally, I wouldn't do away with it, but I'd like to see it performed only when they are playing on home soil. 

Thoughts.

How is the haka commercial?

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Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Just thought I'd throw this thought in here for debate 

Anyone else getting a bit bored of it all now. Every time the all blacks play we have a haka. It's all becoming a bit predictable and commercial.

Maybe just me but it also winds me up that they get to perform it away from home, and seem to have some sort of power as to how opposing teams should react. They didn't like it when wales stared them down a few years back, I thought it was all about laying down a challenge and the opposition accepting it.

Personally, I wouldn't do away with it, but I'd like to see it performed only when they are playing on home soil. 

Thoughts.

How is the haka commercial?

Have you ever seen a grown man naked in tears?
 

It’s become less special and arguably a bit old hat due to the number of international games now played and when you add on the Tongans and Samoans it is getting a bit much. Also I don’t know if it’s me but does it all go on longer than it used to 30 years ago? Of course if you are at the ground you can’t hear it due to the boos which you certainly never used to get. 


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If it was a Welsh thing you’d all love it. 
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

If it was a Welsh thing you’d all love it. 

No I wouldn't, because I'm miserable and despise all the nonsense.

I absolutely despised that ghastly 'cool cymru' period, and am of the belief that anyone who turns up to a Welsh game with a daffodil hat, or blown up sheep, should be booted out, and put before some sort of committee.

Haka is fine with me, but do it only on NZ soil, even if it is becoming sooooo boring specs
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Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

If it was a Welsh thing you’d all love it. 

No I wouldn't, because I'm miserable and despise all the nonsense.

I absolutely despised that ghastly 'cool cymru' period, and am of the belief that anyone who turns up to a Welsh game with a daffodil hat, or blown up sheep, should be booted out, and put before some sort of committee.

Haka is fine with me, but do it only on NZ soil, even if it is becoming sooooo boring specs
How about Welsh Choirs for Room 101? Really an outmoded 1960-70’s sentiment these days? Singers in choirs are mostly geriatric (😉)  and have all have superimposed a layer of Tom Jonesism songs on them ! 😂 Also no one under 65 knows the words of hymns - thoughts!😉

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One thing I’ve noticed in a packed pub I’m in. Everyone is quiet when the haka came on.  Says a lot. It’s been around decades. Long may it continue. Just go for a pissss or the bar when it’s on. 
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The Haka took 1 minute 46 seconds from the time they came out of the their circle. Ridiculous waste of time.
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And included the use of an accessory- a ceremonial spear. They also have an adviser/ consultant to make sure any changes are culturally correct.
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There's no difference really, is there???

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