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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

There is nor salary cap ,or restrictions in France, and until they introduce  one  ban the French from European rugby. 

There is a salary cap in France, and there are restrictions on foreign players.

I'm delighted la Rochelle won.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eastern outpost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 May 2023 at 10:39pm
Kid A and Scarletnut are pretty good on how the budgets compare and there are very few who exceed Leinster, at the last time it was aired, iirc.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletpimp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 May 2023 at 11:33pm
Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

There is nor salary cap ,or restrictions in France, and until they introduce  one  ban the French from European rugby. 

There is a salary cap in France, and there are restrictions on foreign players.

I'm delighted la Rochelle won.

If that's the case...there must be some " creative accounting" going on, as they probably need someone of Will Skelton's size to carry in the wage packets.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote minded Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 May 2023 at 11:50pm
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I would like La Rochelle to win this evening.

Nothing personal on Leinster.

I just like what La Rochelle are all about as a club.


Are you joking WIll ??????????????????

Today was a SICKENING result, reminding us that just like football money can buy success !
Leinster compared to us have a huge budget(not many with less), but compared to La Rochelle,
its puts even that in perspective !!!
There is nor salary cap ,or restrictions in France, and until they introduce  one  ban the French from European rugby. 
You cannot continue with the European playing field structured in the way it is, with different countries , with different rules.
It will otherwise be just like man city winning the league every season. Toulon and La Rochelle winning reminded us of that correlation .
If this isn't satire then i'm generally worried.
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Is there a salary cap in Ireland then.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2023 at 6:45am
The budget comps aren't easy for sure, but I don't see how they differ much in this case tbh.

I was focusing a little on the framework of La Rochelle.

-City of 75k residents right out in the West, with a rural catchment area beyond that.
-Steady and sustainable growth over a couple of decades.
-Club 98% owned by the fanbase.
-The town has a long history of being a little rebellious, and not too fussy about who with either!
-All matches at the 16,000 seat stadium sell out every week.
-Club President is in his 31st year in the role giving great continuity, and more importantly isn't one for headline grabbing.
-The Board ensure that recruitment (players and coaches) matches the core values of the club.

It's ultimately a community club, and I really like that.

As for Leinster, well the strategy over the last month was in stark contrast to this...
-Send a squad of academy and fringe players to South Africa in April to complete their URC fixtures ( coach didn't go either)
-Put a mostly 2nd string side out last week for the URC semi final play off v Munster, and lost.
-Lost yesterday.

Not won many friends there, and their fans might be a little miffed ( not that they would care of course).


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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

The budget comps aren't easy for sure, but I don't see how they differ much in this case tbh.

I was focusing a little on the framework of La Rochelle.

-City of 75k residents right out in the West, with a rural catchment area beyond that.
-Steady and sustainable growth over a couple of decades.
-Club 98% owned by the fanbase.
-The town has a long history of being a little rebellious, and not too fussy about who with either!
-All matches at the 16,000 seat stadium sell out every week.
-Club President is in his 31st year in the role giving great continuity, and more importantly isn't one for headline grabbing.
-The Board ensure that recruitment (players and coaches) matches the core values of the club.

It's ultimately a community club, and I really like that.

As for Leinster, well the strategy over the last month was in stark contrast to this...
-Send a squad of academy and fringe players to South Africa in April to complete their URC fixtures ( coach didn't go either)
-Put a mostly 2nd string side out last week for the URC semi final play off v Munster, and lost.
-Lost yesterday.

Not won many friends there, and their fans might be a little miffed ( not that they would care of course).

Good post Wil. Fantastic achievement by La Rochelle. O'Gara is forging  a massive career with his rugby intellect way ahead of most competitors. He rightly instilled in his squad that Leinster are starting to question themselves as they are falling at the last hurdle ominously for them. 

I fail to understand all this negative reaction when we talk about budgets - just because a team/league - the top 14 get it right - we should restrict those teams so that the ones who don't get it right can compete. What an attitude - most teams in the top 14 have a budget we can only envy because they have thriving clubs with passionate supporters who buy in to the team. Of course rugby in France attracts high profile benefactors but the top 14 is financially regulated better than any other league in the World. 

Instead of looking on with envy and trying to force clubs to function in the bargain basement of Welsh rugby why not applaud and celebrate a club who have got it right. Wil's comments about how Leinster treated the URC semi final shows the gulf in competitions. Speaking after his team had won the semi final O'Gara when asked if he would be wrapping his stars in cotton wool replied that he had no choices in the top 14 with away games to come against Toulon & Montpellier and his need to secure points to stay in 2nd place to give him a home semi final. Compare that with Leinster making 12 changes from the team which lost to Munster. 

Give me, as a paying spectator, following the top 14 competition over the URC every day of the week. Wonderful rugby cities with huge traditions, full stadia and excellent commuting options. Throw in the range of wines and food options throughout & it really is a no brainer. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eastern outpost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2023 at 9:26am
To add to the above comment, and some others prior to that, the TOP14 has plenty of big industry/commercial sponsors as well as benefactors. The majority have plenty of local authority support, too - see what’s on their shirts/shorts. 

The budgets they quote for the Top 14 are for the whole club, not the playing squad salary cap, I believe. 

As for either of Kid A or Scarletnut being swayed by any personal feelings, the facts are so overwhelming that they can park any subjectivity and just let the facts and figures tell the story.  It’s optional to add the lashings of lack of transparency caused by the ownership structure in Ireland.
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On another matter, apparently EPCR are investigating some hoohah at half-time in the tunnel plus after the match when Sexton and Sean O’Brien may or may not have been involved in giving Peyper their collective thoughts, possibly undiplomatically.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if this did happen.  Having watched the whole match (what a great game between two great teams) it was clear that Leinster felt that they weren’t getting the calls from Pyper.  
They were remonstrating with him a lot during the match, especially Gibson-Park, who was constantly in his heat.  The problem for Leinster was that they are not used to being bossed about up front (they tend to bully everyone else in the URC) and not getting the 50/50 calls (especially at home).
They were also under a lot of pressure having lost last year’s final to La Rochelle and lost out on the URC having bossed ot all season.
Their expectations are to win silverware every season but this year they have failed to do so, despite the resources they have at their disposal.
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Great result for french rugby , I wonder if they can add the world cup to it ...I wouldn't bet against it 
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A poster on the Clermont forum said the win was 15 against 18 (crowd, ref, TMO)

The poster also added that the rucks were like a swimming pool. Leinster were diving in usually from the side.
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Leinster complaining about Peyper is a bit rich in my opinion. Throughout the game Dallagio & Healey were pointing out obvious infringements against Leinster which went unpunished. The most obvious one being Van der Flier entering a ruck to clear out from the La Rochelle side & getting away with it. 

The contest at the breakdown was fierce and it took La Rochelle 25-30 minutes to come to terms with how Peyper was going to ref it. After that they dominated Leinster physically & it was only down to some wonderfully committed defence from a number of Leinster players - Sheehan Doris & Henshaw to name just three - that La Rochelle didn't win with more to spare. 
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It’s as if Leinster have become so big they can’t put a lid on it. Can’t blame them for anything though, they’re not breaking any rules, they’ve got loads of money and they’re using it. It’s not their fault. If we were offered the same finances we wouldn’t say oh no thanks that’s not fair on the other teams. 
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Over the years Sexton has been defended of his thuggish behaviour , by players and friends saying he is super competitive , he can't help it ..Well yesterday he wasn't playing , in fact he was just a supporter watching the match ..His behaviour is another example of his super petulant child like psyche, and if proven it should not be brushed under the carpet , but he should be hung , dawn and 0.25 ...with no compassion given Angry
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Me & Mrs EO survived a journey in a lift with just Sexton for company. It was in Paris before we beat them at their old ground. We’d unknowingly booked to stay in the hotel they used before every home match.

Glad it was pre-match Wink


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