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Letโ€™s be honest it could be a good thing that AWJ, Tuperic, Moriaty and Webb are not going gives the youngsters a chance and as this World Cup is a free pass, no one expects us to do well, what have we got to lose. 
Just Beard to go now and we could have a decent team. 

She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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Beard Is the Boris Johnson of the rugby world 
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Why are the media not harassing the WRU regarding progress on the promised modernisation of the game in Wales?  Their silence is deafening.
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Because we have media people who wouldn't even get in a YTS scheme ...have you even read icwales ....I wouldn't trust them with crayons 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

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Another player , who can't meet gatlands physical requirements....Jump ship before being embarrassed in public

Given the squad has only just started to meet up, with some players not arriving yet, that's a bold thought. 

More like the financial rewards don't meet the expectations of the players. All 4 players who have turned their backs on Wales so far are British Lions. Don't think you get to be a test Lion if you're afraid of getting fit!!!!!!

I would agree with you if these players were in their prime , but anyone over 30 will struggle with the arobic requirements .....

Most are pups compared with Geraint Thomas who was flying up mountains in Italy recently. Its a mind thing & those guys are proven to be pretty tough cookies. Webb is protecting a deal from Biarritz apparently. Both he & Moriarty will be settling themselves and their young families into life in France through the summer - pretty understandable stance when all is said and done. 
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Another player , who can't meet gatlands physical requirements....Jump ship before being embarrassed in public
 

Are you not still running your critically acclaimed North Korean Jungle Man courses ? A month of being beasted in the jungle 24/7 would have really toughened these elderly Ospreys wimps up ! Probably couldnโ€™t afford your high fees with these pay cuts anyway ๐Ÿ˜ 
PS could you please offer a one day Zoom version for Scarlet Fever members at mates rates ? It would get us โ€œtoned up โ€œ nicely for next season ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ‹๏ธโ€โ™€๏ธ
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Well the offer is reasonable , the point I'm trying to get over , maybe a little poorly is that maybe the desire is not there as these players have seen and done it numerous times , no more dog left . 
Let me give you an example , I spent some time at a husky farm inside northern Finland not do long ago , and looking at the puppies sleeping outside at minus 40 , every morning they wanted to start pulling the carts , the desire was huge in them ...They would be like this every morning until the age of 9 or 10 , when they reached this age , they would cower down and not want to pull ...They had reached their end of working , nothing could be done .....I see the osprey players mentioned reaching that point of the old husky .....
Regarding your request , I would like the people requesting the fitness beasting to speak to your own drs first , as I've noticed that a lot of you are consuming over 30,000 calories a day on the food and wine post ....I do another course on ..managing gout which I thought would be more advantageous to most posters Wink
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Well the offer is reasonable , the point I'm trying to get over , maybe a little poorly is that maybe the desire is not there as these players have seen and done it numerous times , no more dog left . 
Let me give you an example , I spent some time at a husky farm inside northern Finland not do long ago , and looking at the puppies sleeping outside at minus 40 , every morning they wanted to start pulling the carts , the desire was huge in them ...They would be like this every morning until the age of 9 or 10 , when they reached this age , they would cower down and not want to pull ...They had reached their end of working , nothing could be done .....I see the osprey players mentioned reaching that point of the old husky .....
Regarding your request , I would like the people requesting the fitness beasting to speak to your own drs first , as I've noticed that a lot of you are consuming over 30,000 calories a day on the food and wine post ....I do another course on ..managing gout which I thought would be more advantageous to most posters Wink

Sign me up for the gout course Mike - do you travel as I have difficulty walking. Wink

P.S. I like the husky story. 
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Scots and Irish already realise that they are in the best league already , a minority on here apparently want to join an English , but I think it's just hot air as there are no facts to back it up ....I think the players would agree with me though 

What's your metric for measuring the best league?

I can't find many 'facts' to back that up.
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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Scots and Irish already realise that they are in the best league already , a minority on here apparently want to join an English , but I think it's just hot air as there are no facts to back it up ....I think the players would agree with me though 

What's your metric for measuring the best league?

I can't find many 'facts' to back that up.

I origionally based it apon international success ...The URC currently have the world cup champions and the number 1 side in the world .
I also then had to add in European success , where we have Leinster , Munster and I would imagine a south African winner in the next few years ...Our players in the regions are being exposed to these players and the mechanism that produced them week in week out....For young players , flying to South Africa for 2 weeks every year , develops their character and confidence and takes them out of the little bubble of South Wales ...
Travelling to Capetown is a much better option than driving to Newcastle ...

I can understand supporters wanting closer games across the border , but I think people are dreaming of going to these grounds 30 years ago ...Currently it's easier to get to Leinster or Edinburgh than sale , but how many would actually travel .
Remember this year's game between Saracens and Leinster had the smallest crowd of the competition , not encouraging is it ..

My belief is that I would rather focus on the players being developed by competent varied opposition than a potential piss up in bath or Bristol 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Well the offer is reasonable , the point I'm trying to get over , maybe a little poorly is that maybe the desire is not there as these players have seen and done it numerous times , no more dog left . 
Let me give you an example , I spent some time at a husky farm inside northern Finland not do long ago , and looking at the puppies sleeping outside at minus 40 , every morning they wanted to start pulling the carts , the desire was huge in them ...They would be like this every morning until the age of 9 or 10 , when they reached this age , they would cower down and not want to pull ...They had reached their end of working , nothing could be done .....I see the osprey players mentioned reaching that point of the old husky .....
Regarding your request , I would like the people requesting the fitness beasting to speak to your own drs first , as I've noticed that a lot of you are consuming over 30,000 calories a day on the food and wine post ....I do another course on ..managing gout which I thought would be more advantageous to most posters Wink

Sign me up for the gout course Mike - do you travel as I have difficulty walking. Wink

P.S. I like the husky story. 
the course that deals with gout , is quite intense and can take a few days to digest , so I would be prepared to break it down into smaller sound bites ...I think the format is described as ..baby step 

I've run out of gout associated words now LOL
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Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Scots and Irish already realise that they are in the best league already , a minority on here apparently want to join an English , but I think it's just hot air as there are no facts to back it up ....I think the players would agree with me though 

What's your metric for measuring the best league?

I can't find many 'facts' to back that up.

Two, shortly to be three, clubs being removed from the league doesn't help qualification for being the top league. The English league system is in a rancid heap of dung at the moment and anyone suggesting joining it hasnt thought very hard. That's as polite a way of putting it as I can manage. 

That said, it's probably not helpful to think of one league as better than another. Which one suits us is a better way of thinking. Before this season, I could see the point of playing English sides every week. Now, no way.


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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Scots and Irish already realise that they are in the best league already , a minority on here apparently want to join an English , but I think it's just hot air as there are no facts to back it up ....I think the players would agree with me though 

What's your metric for measuring the best league?

I can't find many 'facts' to back that up.

I origionally based it apon international success ...The URC currently have the world cup champions and the number 1 side in the world .
I also then had to add in European success , where we have Leinster , Munster and I would imagine a south African winner in the next few years ...Our players in the regions are being exposed to these players and the mechanism that produced them week in week out....For young players , flying to South Africa for 2 weeks every year , develops their character and confidence and takes them out of the little bubble of South Wales ...
Travelling to Capetown is a much better option than driving to Newcastle ...

I can understand supporters wanting closer games across the border , but I think people are dreaming of going to these grounds 30 years ago ...Currently it's easier to get to Leinster or Edinburgh than sale , but how many would actually travel .
Remember this year's game between Saracens and Leinster had the smallest crowd of the competition , not encouraging is it ..

My belief is that I would rather focus on the players being developed by competent varied opposition than a potential piss up in bath or Bristol 

Claiming South African success from the last World Cup when they weren't even in the URC is a stretch. England and France have greater World Cup success than Wales, Scotland, Ireland and Italy.

6 nations wise over the last decade Wales, Ireland and England are roughly even (2, 4, 3 championship wins).

Club game over the last decade where URC, Premiership and Top14 compete against each other has been dominated by the French and English winning 85% of Champions Cup and Challenge Cups in that period, a URC team hasn't won either since 2018.

Average crowds in the URC this season were about 10,000, that's 2,500 less than the prem, 5,000 less than the top 14.

Despite all that sport for me is about competitiveness, atmosphere, accessibility, all of which would be enhanced in a British/Anglo-Welsh league.
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Originally posted by John John wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Scots and Irish already realise that they are in the best league already , a minority on here apparently want to join an English , but I think it's just hot air as there are no facts to back it up ....I think the players would agree with me though 

What's your metric for measuring the best league?

I can't find many 'facts' to back that up.

Two, shortly to be three, clubs being removed from the league doesn't help qualification for being the top league. The English league system is in a rancid heap of dung at the moment and anyone suggesting joining it hasnt thought very hard. That's as polite a way of putting it as I can manage. 

That said, it's probably not helpful to think of one league as better than another. Which one suits us is a better way of thinking. Before this season, I could see the point of playing English sides every week. Now, no way.

Without the WRU and SARU stepping in we'd have lost the Dragons and Stormers over the past few years. For the first time in a while I think it sort of suits both the Welsh and English to pair up.
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I thought you wanted facts , which I thought I had supplied then you supply figures without facts .....If you went back long enough there would be figures that you could find to support any and every view point ...I tried to keep mine within the last decade , whilst England have won the world cup once , we have the current champions who have won it twice so far and potentially Ireland as a first time winner ...I agree with John over this , we need to identify ourselves as a separate union , not an appendage of a failing system that is self imploding .....we actually need to follow the cymru football team and reinvent ourselves...
The last thing we need is to join the English league ....
As a side note if you offered the English teams to join the URC , they would probably bite your hand off , that I think says it all 
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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

I thought you wanted facts , which I thought I had supplied then you supply figures without facts .....If you went back long enough there would be figures that you could find to support any and every view point ...I tried to keep mine within the last decade , whilst England have won the world cup once , we have the current champions who have won it twice so far and potentially Ireland as a first time winner ...I agree with John over this , we need to identify ourselves as a separate union , not an appendage of a failing system that is self imploding .....we actually need to follow the cymru football team and reinvent ourselves...
The last thing we need is to join the English league ....
As a side note if you offered the English teams to join the URC , they would probably bite your hand off , that I think says it all 

A South African team likely to win in the next few years isn't really a fact.

I've supplied facts only, the winners of comps (last decade) and attendances last season.

I don't really care that much about developing international talent, which is still just opinion which league does it better, I want a practical, enjoyable atmospheric league, which we haven't got in my opinion, who wins a WC every four years isn't high on my priority list for week to week rugby entertainment.

If English teams are struggling financially I'm not sure adding travel to Ireland, Italy and South Africa would be that appealing to them either.
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