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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

for the sake of fairness we also  need to point out labour won 3 elections post the torys privatising british steel and did nothing about it. they didn”t reopen a sungle mine either in their tine in power. wales stiill has more people employed  percentage wide by the civil service or local govt i think?

If that is the case DVLA, would count as a huge percentage, as it employs thousands.
We are thankful for that to be honest, but other jobs are in short supply.
Thatcher decimated industry in wales , both steel and coal.
Labour did not privatise British steel , Thatcher did in 1987, when ken Clarke was the minister for trade and industry. This was on top of the destruction of the mines and the communities that suffered thereof, when Maggie imported MacGregor to do a hatchet job on both
NOTHING DONE TO REPLACE TO REPLACE THE JOBS, little inward investment similar to the scenario legend has painted above.
It mirrors what is currently happening in Port Talbot. The Government has contributed 500m to the production of new electric Arc furnaces., but together with Tata could and should have been planning ahead already with this development, which could easily have been constructed while one other coke blast furnace remained, as the unions suggested. As it is now the new furnace may take 5 years to build, the current furnaces  shut down this year, while we import cheaper quality and inferior steel from abroad to fill the gap. To top that up the whole community in south wales suffers , not just Port Talbot , not just those who  working there, but the whole supply infrastructure including retail and everything else.
The long term future maybe be safeguarded...but for what price ?

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i know labour didn’t privatise iit my point is labour won 3 elections since british steel was privatised but didn’t renationalise it when they were in power.  they also didnt reopen a simgle mine when they were in power. they had a chance to reverse these bad policies they choose not to. why are they guving a free pass on policies like this? it’s easy to bash the tories but people seem to be less keen to note labours flaws. look at the shambles education and housing has been under welsh labour at the senedd

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Starmer is doing a great job of letting Sunak back in with an outside chance of retaining power. Why would any prospective PM with a huge lead in the polls start throwing around pledges with monetary amounts attached such as £28Billion on green investment.

Now, surprise, surprise he has had to scale this back - his reasons - Tories have junked the economy. Why not try the responsible roll and state a commitment to green investment with exact amounts to be confirmed once in power & once in control of the facts & figures on the economy at the time. 

This is a schoolboy error and will cost the labour party. 
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i wush sunak starmer drakeford or any leader would grow a pair and tell people the truth the uk can go  carbon neitral tonorrow abd it won’t make a jot of difference globally. so why should we skint ourselves trying to do it? its like thunberg is calling the shots!!
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Starmer is doing a great job of letting Sunak back in with an outside chance of retaining power. Why would any prospective PM with a huge lead in the polls start throwing around pledges with monetary amounts attached such as £28Billion on green investment.

Now, surprise, surprise he has had to scale this back - his reasons - Tories have junked the economy. Why not try the responsible roll and state a commitment to green investment with exact amounts to be confirmed once in power & once in control of the facts & figures on the economy at the time. 

This is a schoolboy error and will cost the labour party. 

its a shambles but Id still rather they did the U turn than ploughed on with the total madness of their unaffrdable anti common sense anti economic radical green policy
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Starmer is doing a great job of letting Sunak back in with an outside chance of retaining power. Why would any prospective PM with a huge lead in the polls start throwing around pledges with monetary amounts attached such as £28Billion on green investment.

Now, surprise, surprise he has had to scale this back - his reasons - Tories have junked the economy. Why not try the responsible roll and state a commitment to green investment with exact amounts to be confirmed once in power & once in control of the facts & figures on the economy at the time. 

This is a schoolboy error and will cost the labour party. 

its a shambles but Id still rather they did the U turn than ploughed on with the total madness of their unaffrdable anti common sense anti economic radical green policy

My point isn't really about the rights or wrongs of the policy which I do not know enough about to comment. I think the consensus on this forum is that it is time for a change from the corrupt, snouts in the trough, privately educated toffs who consider themselves superior to something more akin to normal people who may at least try to level up the playing field of British economics & opportunity.

For that to happen there is currently only one alternative & that is Starmer's labour party. Getting into power is almost as difficult as governing & they could well do without totally avoidable nonsense policies which they have to embarrassingly ditch. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Starmer is doing a great job of letting Sunak back in with an outside chance of retaining power. Why would any prospective PM with a huge lead in the polls start throwing around pledges with monetary amounts attached such as £28Billion on green investment.

Now, surprise, surprise he has had to scale this back - his reasons - Tories have junked the economy. Why not try the responsible roll and state a commitment to green investment with exact amounts to be confirmed once in power & once in control of the facts & figures on the economy at the time. 

This is a schoolboy error and will cost the labour party. 

its a shambles but Id still rather they did the U turn than ploughed on with the total madness of their unaffrdable anti common sense anti economic radical green policy

My point isn't really about the rights or wrongs of the policy which I do not know enough about to comment. I think the consensus on this forum is that it is time for a change from the corrupt, snouts in the trough, privately educated toffs who consider themselves superior to something more akin to normal people who may at least try to level up the playing field of British economics & opportunity.

For that to happen there is currently only one alternative & that is Starmer's labour party. Getting into power is almost as difficult as governing & they could well do without totally avoidable nonsense policies which they have to embarrassingly ditch. 


Im delighted hes radically reduced this, they need to get real. For starters electric cars taking over the world is not going to happen.
 


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Sunak is a slimy useless prat...he has no empathy, no class, n9 basic understanding of anything and is a hopeless politician. 

As for stepping in on GB news for the idiot JR Bog next Monday is unprecedented...then again making a £1000 bet with a lying rat P Morgan and then making cheap political points about trans gen while a mother who's child had been stabbed 28 times with no thought or nous.....seriously astonishing. Utter scum.




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Did you hear sunaks failure to answer any straight question with morgan? d you admit youve missed your nhs targets and econmic targets this year......answer were ging to beat them next year......morgan but what about this year? yes next year etc round and round we went lies avoidance double talk nonsense
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The sad reality of the awfulness and unfairness of this word is  summed by the events of this weekend.
While we chew over and ponder the results of rugby games(including myself), a new dawn, may not bring a new dawn for those surviving by a thread in Rafah. 
Things are already tough there, as aid is not getting through, but now despite international protests, Israeli air strikes have already started, in the north and centre of the city  

Biden and Cameron have at last made their points. .but nothing moves Netanyahu.
The questions is clear, how many people and specifically how many children will die , before their lives have started?
Despite Netanyahu giving assurances that there were areas cleared in the north of Rafah, for those desperately fleeing the conflict, its obvious there are are very few places left for them to go.  
This is their LAST refuge

I have said before in previous posts, this amounts to GENOCIDE, something which the Jewish people once accused the Nazi's of.
Sanctions is something which should and could be considered against Israel. What's good for the Russians, committing similar war crimes, should be applied to Israel.
Unfortunately, I cannot see it happening as Israel has far to much influence , particularly in the US, where Israel is looked on as an important ally, in a volatile region.

If however, there is further loss of life in Rafah, as it looks likely, I fear there could be a real escalations of tensions, with the Saudi and Egyptians threatening "serious ramifications"!
What will now happen to the Israel hostages. ?
Two have allegedly been rescued, but what about the others, numbering 120 ?
There is also the possibility of increased anti Semitic hate crime against Jewish people across the globe.
This is a real worry for many Jews , many of whom, despite wanting to see the back of Hamas, deplore the loss of life in Gaza, and oppose Netanyahu.

Discrimination is an appalling thing, wherever it occurs , and the people of Gaza have lived under the shadow of discrimination for years, with the majority of its exits by sea and land controlled by Israel.
Before the catastrophe of oct 7th occurred, Gaza was an economically deprived area , with incredibly serious social problems .
Much of what happened inside the boundaries of Gaza itself was controlled by Hamas, and not  always for the immediate benefit of the people of Gaza themselves.
They must take full responsibility for what has happened ,knowing there would be considerable Israel response to the massacre in southern Israel, where mutilation and rape was commonplace, apart from the loss of life on that awful day !
No one however expected to see what followed, and the almost total destruction of Gaza itself and generations of families, murdered by continual Israeli bombardment of innocent civilians
We hold our breath for what happens next, but it won't be great I am sure

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Small correction pimp the Nazis did carry out genocide - they weren't just accused of it. Genocide is genocide in whatever form or country it takes. It is incredible that the only country to call out Israel with any gusto is South Africa.

Our European politicians should be ashamed for following the American line. I have said before one call from Biden threatening to cut off military, armaments & financial aid to Israel would lead to an almost immediate ceasefire. 

History will judge Netenyahu, Biden & European leaders badly. 
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interesting weekend israel found hamas tunnells directly under the united nations aud building, prospective labour mo for rochdale accused israel of letting the hamas attack in isrEl take place to greenlight an invasion of palestine, trump says he wont defend nato nations who don’t pay their fair share and galloway is back on the campaign trail,Wink

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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

The sad reality of the awfulness and unfairness of this word is  summed by the events of this weekend.
While we chew over and ponder the results of rugby games(including myself), a new dawn, may not bring a new dawn for those surviving by a thread in Rafah. 
Things are already tough there, as aid is not getting through, but now despite international protests, Israeli air strikes have already started, in the north and centre of the city  

Biden and Cameron have at last made their points. .but nothing moves Netanyahu.
The questions is clear, how many people and specifically how many children will die , before their lives have started?
Despite Netanyahu giving assurances that there were areas cleared in the north of Rafah, for those desperately fleeing the conflict, its obvious there are are very few places left for them to go.  
This is their LAST refuge

I have said before in previous posts, this amounts to GENOCIDE, something which the Jewish people once accused the Nazi's of.
Sanctions is something which should and could be considered against Israel. What's good for the Russians, committing similar war crimes, should be applied to Israel.
Unfortunately, I cannot see it happening as Israel has far to much influence , particularly in the US, where Israel is looked on as an important ally, in a volatile region.

If however, there is further loss of life in Rafah, as it looks likely, I fear there could be a real escalations of tensions, with the Saudi and Egyptians threatening "serious ramifications"!
What will now happen to the Israel hostages. ?
Two have allegedly been rescued, but what about the others, numbering 120 ?
There is also the possibility of increased anti Semitic hate crime against Jewish people across the globe.
This is a real worry for many Jews , many of whom, despite wanting to see the back of Hamas, deplore the loss of life in Gaza, and oppose Netanyahu.

Discrimination is an appalling thing, wherever it occurs , and the people of Gaza have lived under the shadow of discrimination for years, with the majority of its exits by sea and land controlled by Israel.
Before the catastrophe of oct 7th occurred, Gaza was an economically deprived area , with incredibly serious social problems .
Much of what happened inside the boundaries of Gaza itself was controlled by Hamas, and not  always for the immediate benefit of the people of Gaza themselves.
They must take full responsibility for what has happened ,knowing there would be considerable Israel response to the massacre in southern Israel, where mutilation and rape was commonplace, apart from the loss of life on that awful day !
No one however expected to see what followed, and the almost total destruction of Gaza itself and generations of families, murdered by continual Israeli bombardment of innocent civilians
We hold our breath for what happens next, but it won't be great I am sure

saudis wont get involved they are a different brand of islam, they hate the iranian backed hamas regime. israel rescued two hostages of pensionable age from that area in the weekend. i have no doubts theyll use that as justification  for their actions on the weekend

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So the Tory party continue to use inflammatory language and rhetoric about anyone or everyone who has the cheek to have contrasting views to their own.
The country is being lead by mob rule - so every protester is part of a mob.
London and the London mayor is being run by islamists
These are just 2 such inflammatory statements coming from the Tory party and it’s unelected weak leader.  And to make matters worse, they can’t even be seen to be sorry for using such inflammatory statements and for calling out those who made the statements.
It’s clear that this rhetoric is all about trying to appease those MPs on the hard right of the party, who they fear may jump ship to the reform party.
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The fact that George Galloway won the Rochdale by-election with a 6000 majority shows just how popular the Government is at the moment.  
They were given an open goal with the stupidity of the labour parties original candidate’s comments and subsequent action of the Labour Party, yet they still managed to lose out to someone who is so divisive (as a politician), flits between different political parties (at a whim) and only decided to put himself up for selection a few days ago, and as a result didn’t have much of an opportunity to do much canvassing.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Legendinmybathroom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 March 2024 at 10:09pm
So it only took the PM 24 hours to call out the racist rants of the biggest Tory funded (very quick by his snail paced standards) and only after many Tory MPs were sent out in the media to play down the racism.
The post office minister even stated this morning on TV that they would accept even more money from the same donor if it was offered.
This Tory party is completely out of control and no matter how bad we think the labour lead WAG is doing, at leat they can not be accused of stoking up racial hatred and using derogatory language to describe certain groups of the population.  
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