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    Posted: 02 October 2012 at 1:57pm
Who has been the best Welsh ten in your opinion ?
 
Put them in order ??
 
Here is my list for what its worth
 
(1) Phil Bennett
(2) Barry John
(3) Jonathan Davies
(4) Cliff Morgan
(5) David Watkins
(6) Gareth Davies
(7) Stephen Jones
(8) Neil Jenkins
(9) John Bevan
(10) Paul Turner
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Im guessing a bit as all Ive seen is old clips of the great cliff , he was fly half when we last beat the all blacks and in clips he looked sensational for the lions too, whereas jiffy went north early and was an all time leage great, so hard to judge too.
 
(1) Phil Bennett
(2) Barry John
(3) Jonathan Davies
(4) Cliff Morgan
(5) David Watkins
(6) Stephen Jones
(7) Neil Jenkins
(8) John Bevan
(9) James Hook
(10) Gareth Davies
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As good as a player as he was at the time when you take into account he was Lion all be it at fullback because of his kicking but if Neil Jenkins was starting off now I'm not sure he would even get to play at Regional level due to his lack of athletisism. Or am I being unfair?
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Jiffy number one!
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Im guessing a bit as all Ive seen is old clips of the great cliff , he was fly half when we last beat the all blacks and in clips he looked sensational for the lions too, whereas jiffy went north early and was an all time leage great, so hard to judge too.
 
(1) Phil Bennett
(2) Barry John
(3) Jonathan Davies
(4) Cliff Morgan
(5) David Watkins
(6) Stephen Jones
(7) Neil Jenkins
(8) John Bevan
(9) James Hook
(10) Gareth Davies
 
All agreed until (8)
 
8 James Hook
9 Mark Ring (on his day, of course - Twickenham circa 1988? )
10 John Bevan
 
It may have been an urban myth, but did Stuart Barnes make the bench for Wales and not get capped? Then went to play for England after being a successful Wales Schoolboy. There was also another urban myth that Tony Ward was born in Cefneithin, but all the records say Dublin. I know it used to wind my Irish mates up a lot, though, if you suggested it.
 
 
 
 
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Stuart Barnes DEFINITELY did not bench for Wales. Ring only played for Wales in the 1991 RWC where he was awful (his WAS knackered mind). He was in the Centre for the Twickers 1988 game.
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Originally posted by Jonesyboy1000 Jonesyboy1000 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Im guessing a bit as all Ive seen is old clips of the great cliff , he was fly half when we last beat the all blacks and in clips he looked sensational for the lions too, whereas jiffy went north early and was an all time leage great, so hard to judge too.
 
(1) Phil Bennett
(2) Barry John
(3) Jonathan Davies
(4) Cliff Morgan
(5) David Watkins
(6) Stephen Jones
(7) Neil Jenkins
(8) John Bevan
(9) James Hook
(10) Gareth Davies
 
All agreed until (8)
 
8 James Hook
9 Mark Ring (on his day, of course - Twickenham circa 1988? )
10 John Bevan
 
It may have been an urban myth, but did Stuart Barnes make the bench for Wales and not get capped? Then went to play for England after being a successful Wales Schoolboy. There was also another urban myth that Tony Ward was born in Cefneithin, but all the records say Dublin. I know it used to wind my Irish mates up a lot, though, if you suggested it.
 
 
 
 

Stuart Barnes played schoolboy rugby for Waled and was named in the full Welsh squad for the five nations in 79 (i think) but declined to be selected. His autobiography is really interesting. 
Hook in top 10? you are joking?
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I'm astounded nobody has mentioned Adrian Davies or David Evans yet.
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Originally posted by ewbank2 ewbank2 wrote:

Originally posted by Jonesyboy1000 Jonesyboy1000 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Im guessing a bit as all Ive seen is old clips of the great cliff , he was fly half when we last beat the all blacks and in clips he looked sensational for the lions too, whereas jiffy went north early and was an all time leage great, so hard to judge too.
 
(1) Phil Bennett
(2) Barry John
(3) Jonathan Davies
(4) Cliff Morgan
(5) David Watkins
(6) Stephen Jones
(7) Neil Jenkins
(8) John Bevan
(9) James Hook
(10) Gareth Davies
 
All agreed until (8)
 
8 James Hook
9 Mark Ring (on his day, of course - Twickenham circa 1988? )
10 John Bevan
 
It may have been an urban myth, but did Stuart Barnes make the bench for Wales and not get capped? Then went to play for England after being a successful Wales Schoolboy. There was also another urban myth that Tony Ward was born in Cefneithin, but all the records say Dublin. I know it used to wind my Irish mates up a lot, though, if you suggested it.
 
 
 
 

Stuart Barnes played schoolboy rugby for Waled and was named in the full Welsh squad for the five nations in 79 (i think) but declined to be selected. His autobiography is really interesting. 
Hook in top 10? you are joking?
 
 
I stand corrected on Mr. Ring and will withdraw him from my 10 list.  Hook's an interesting one: extremely highly rated in France and England, but comes in for lots of stick from us Welsh. 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Im guessing a bit as all Ive seen is old clips of the great cliff , he was fly half when we last beat the all blacks and in clips he looked sensational for the lions too, whereas jiffy went north early and was an all time leage great, so hard to judge too.
 
(1) Phil Bennett
(2) Barry John
(3) Jonathan Davies
(4) Cliff Morgan
(5) David Watkins
(6) Stephen Jones
(7) Neil Jenkins
(8) John Bevan
(9) James Hook
(10) Gareth Davies
 
If you're going back as far as Cliff Morgan, he should be in front of at least Jiffy ( better player and didn't take the northern penny) and I suspect that he should be followed into the list (and not far behind) by his contempory Carwyn. By all accounts Carwyn was a very very good flyhalf.  
 
 
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