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Originally posted by Llanelliman Llanelliman wrote:

With a smaller pool of players National Side will fail !
Why will it be a smaller pool of players?
Do you really think that there are four squads of players good enough for international rugby?
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Just hold on to those memories and the tapes, DVDs and hard drive recordings of Welsh rugby in it’s pomp of the 70s and the great successes in Gatland’s first tenure, and the history book references of the achievements of Wales. 
Is this the early days of the demise of Welsh rugby ?
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

The WRU have to navigate the legality within the current agreement of propping up a region that would have gone in to liquidation, within weeks of triggering a clause to close another one.

Point well made.

And, a thought experiment: had they allowed Cardiff Rugby to dissolve, there would still have been a Cardiff RFC with a clean slate, right?
I'd always seen these heritage clubs as a back-up. Top of the SRC, no less.
How could you end up with *two* Cardiffs and no Llanelli/Scarlets?

Art Of The Deal is so pervasive in society at the moment; I'm crossing my fingers this is ratcheting up the pressure on Scarlets and Ospreys again.
Then again, I thought Putin was bluffing over Ukraine.


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Originally posted by Llanelliman Llanelliman wrote:

With a smaller pool of players National Side will fail !
Why will it be a smaller pool of players?
Do you really think that there are four squads of players good enough for international rugby?

If you cast 4 nets instead of 3 nets, inevitably you are bound to catch more fish !!!!!!
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

All I see on the horizon is years of bitter, acrimonious and legal dog fighting.

The WRU have to navigate the legality within the current agreement of propping up a region that would have gone in to liquidation, within weeks of triggering a clause to close another one.

The qualifying criteria for who stays and who goes will be laced with ambiguity and interpretation challenges.

The only somewhat peaceful outcome would be a voluntary merger.
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Given that our board’s strategy since for the last 7 years seems to have been to survive until Rob Davies can’t afford to keep giving Ospreys £2m a year, I would be surprised if we went for any sort of merger other than what Nigel Short almost achieved. 

The Os have dwindling crowds, no home and one person writing the cheques. I can’t see our board giving up now. We will take our chances against the Os or Ds.

You’re right though about the potential for legal challenges, it’s a minefield that could potentially lead to more casualties.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

All I see on the horizon is years of bitter, acrimonious and legal dog fighting.

The WRU have to navigate the legality within the current agreement of propping up a region that would have gone in to liquidation, within weeks of triggering a clause to close another one.

The qualifying criteria for who stays and who goes will be laced with ambiguity and interpretation challenges.

The only somewhat peaceful outcome would be a voluntary merger.
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I can see the merits in this. Questions that spring to mind:
Presumably the new west Wales region would have to be renamed ( to reduced animosity & encourage fee paying supporters from across the loughor to attend games)
The Llanelli RFC premiership club team would have to be resurrected.
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Originally posted by Llanelliman Llanelliman wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelliman Llanelliman wrote:

With a smaller pool of players National Side will fail !
Why will it be a smaller pool of players?
Do you really think that there are four squads of players good enough for international rugby?

If you cast 4 nets instead of 3 nets, inevitably you are bound to catch more fish !!!!!!
Yes and no.
Less teams more competition for places can drive up standards.
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

We can’t just decide to join the English system in any capacity. Both the RFU and WRU would have to agree to it. As would PRL.

There is no professional rugby in Llanelli without WRU backing. The economics of the game just don’t allow for that. Would be the same at Saracens or Bath.

On the other hand, when it comes to any sort of bidding process, we are in the strongest position. More support than Os or Dragons, way more successful than Dragons, actually have a secure, top quality stadium unlike the Os (Or Cardiff, not that they are going anywhere)




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If the wru withdraw our licence,  they have no say what league we join . It would between the club and the union of that league surely
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If the WRU want to drop a region, then dropping Cardiff is the hassle-free option. And Tierney will go for the option of least resistance. As far as I am concerned, last night's WOL report is a further substantiation of the rumours of the Ospreys interest in Cardiff. Both parties are in a hole and think a merger would help them get out of it. The only problem is that the two debts don't  cancel each other out.... but I'm sure the WRU can help with that. 
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One less academy, more youngsters lost to over the bridge.
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelliman Llanelliman wrote:

With a smaller pool of players National Side will fail !
Why will it be a smaller pool of players?
Do you really think that there are four squads of players good enough for international rugby?


That’s what I was thinking. If anything, the ideal outcome would be merging with the Ospreys and playing from PYS which is what I think will happen. We’d have the strongest squad too. No one cares if Wales do well it’s just the region I thought?
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Originally posted by skyblue skyblue wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelliman Llanelliman wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelliman Llanelliman wrote:

With a smaller pool of players National Side will fail !
Why will it be a smaller pool of players?
Do you really think that there are four squads of players good enough for international rugby?

If you cast 4 nets instead of 3 nets, inevitably you are bound to catch more fish !!!!!!
Yes and no.
Less teams more competition for places can drive up standards.

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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelliman Llanelliman wrote:

With a smaller pool of players National Side will fail !
Why will it be a smaller pool of players?
Do you really think that there are four squads of players good enough for international rugby?

Because any player with a chance will pack their bags and move.
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This is yet another perfect example of how s..t and corrupt the WRU really are.  As someone has already written, if Cardiff had qualified for the playoffs this story wouldn’t have been published by WoL.  The fact it was published when the scarlets have to prepare for a playoff against Leinster just sums up how inept the WRU really are.

If one of the regions is cut loose as part of a merger then that means that the chosen team no longer exist (as far as being a registered team with the WRU, or even both teams if rebranded). As such, could that team (or both) then be allowed to seek membership in the RFU even if they have to start in the championship (like Worcester).
Who knows, I wouldn’t bet against the WRU being in cahoots with the RFU and creating a new entity (merged and renamed region) that will be fast tracked into the championship and being based out of Cardiff.

Let’s paint Leinster red, then progress to the final and then see how hard the WRU work to try and justify merging us with another region.
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Originally posted by Llanelliman Llanelliman wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelliman Llanelliman wrote:

With a smaller pool of players National Side will fail !
Why will it be a smaller pool of players?
Do you really think that there are four squads of players good enough for international rugby?

If you cast 4 nets instead of 3 nets, inevitably you are bound to catch more fish !!!!!!
All the evidence says otherwise.
Especially when the pool is small 
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