unsung legends? andy hill

s.pimpernel wrote: THE point not covered so far is that in an era where caps and International games are as plentifil as confetti, Andy "Pandy" Hill was never capped. From the same era and team, I don't think Selwyn Williamscwas capped either. Without doubt, Andy is one of the greatest Scarlets ever. People should also remember that the boots and balls used had none of the technology that we see today. I really wish that someone at the Scarlets would have a word with the BBC to see if it is possible to get some of the highlights of this era put on a dvd. For alot of us on here it was the era we were hooked and I'd love it for some of the younger uns seeing the likes of Andy, Selwyn, Tommy David and Delme in full flow against The Jacks and Neath.

I wanted to share something that happened to me today in the hope it brings a smile to you.  I work on a building site for a new school in Penlan. I'm the gatekeeper and about 3.30 today I was enjoying standing around in the sun when a car pulled up in the layby outside. A gentleman got out and carefully approached me with the question "do you mind if i ask what you're building here?". We chatted for about 20 minutes and he explained that he had grown up close by and had played rugby on the pitch behind me. He casually mentioned he had played for the Scarlets (amongst others) and as he left I asked his name - "Andy Hill" he replied.......I'm still in awe.

cauliflowerear11 wrote: Andy Hill I seem to remember had the world record for the amount of tries scored for a club. I also remember Andy kicking a penalty from just outside our 5 mtre line.  It went through with loads to spare. Boy could this man kick.  Scored some amazing tries.  Much better the ickle Shane.

As TF and I chatted about the other day, Clive did a year at Llandysul Grammat school, must have been '77 ish. Think I was year 4 at the time. Proper athlete he was.
Part of his teacher training ( or so I assumed ). Remember him clattering my best mate in to touch JPResque during rugby practice once. Bit harsh atthe time, but my mate was always destined to be a wendyballer, and I considered that cemented it in place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9FipwcV27o

Edited by s.pimpernel - 28 February 2016 at 9:36am

s.pimpernel wrote: Turkish Fez wrote: Clive Griffiths was a class act as full back, unfortunately for him there was certain JPR in his way for international honours, hence I think he only had the odd Wales cap. Seemed to recall he came on as replacement for JPR against England and scored a great try. Very successful League career with St Helens and Salford. Very much involved with Doncaster Knights Union side as a coach for many a year. Penclawdd boy. Sadly no. He made the break, kicked ahead and the try was scored by Elgan Rees, who won the race to the touchdown between the two of them

ladram wrote: aber-fan wrote: Turkish Fez wrote: Clive Griffiths was a class act as full back, unfortunately for him there was certain JPR in his way for international honours, hence I think he only had the odd Wales cap. Seemed to recall he came on as replacement for JPR against England and scored a great try. Very successful League career with St Helens and Salford. Very much involved with Doncaster Knights Union side as a coach for many a year. Penclawdd boy. I saw him win his only cap - I thought he'd scored a try, too, but Wikipedia says not - I do remember him setting off on a storming run and cutting through the English defence - most probably, then, this led to a try by someone else (maybe Elgan Rees? He had a habit of scoring v England!). Of course, he then went to play RL, where I bumped into him at the school where he was games master (Rossall? I forget...). He was very fast indeed - much quicker than JPR, who was however untouchable as first choice for his other qualities. Oddly, I also saw Stuart Gallacher win his only cap, when he also made a storming run in to the France 25. That may also have led to a score - again, I forget... sorry!  clive made the break and gave the scoring pass to elgan rees,think he went north the close season

Gellert wrote: My two unsung heroes are Roy Bergiers and Mark Perego.

2 great players, who In fairness are a little bit sung