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    Posted: 25 April 2018 at 1:14pm
Byrne and Carbery are not going to Ulster, Byrne's younger brother is a good prospect also Frawley and others so somethings got to give
They will have about 9 former Leinster players at Ulster by the time Jordy or" Nordy Murphy" and Marty Moore gets there.
We don't have it all our way here in Leinster, while everybody wants to watch the game nobody wants to play it.
You rarely see kids with a rugby ball here, it's all Gaelic football, Hurling and soccer.
Leinster managed to bring in new fans when they were getting thumped every week, and indeed earned the title Ladyboys.
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I doubt any rugby club makes a profit , let alone one with their wage bill
 
Toloun have had a great run since this guy got involved but historically speaking they are not one of the power houses of French rugby
 
I suspect they along with teams like the sarries have very creative accountancy records


Some people will just see them as nasty baddies whatever happens I guess.

The truth is, the Scarlets have exactly the same operating model.
 
I'm not saying they are the bad guys, I have no strong feelings on them either way tbh.
 
I'm just saying with their wage bill no way they are operating at a profit unless they are being bankrolled by sugar daddys.
 
I agree our operating model also relies on benefactors but the majority of our side are home grown through feeder clubs and academy sides, they seem to in for the finished article from elsewhere.
 
 
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I doubt any rugby club makes a profit , let alone one with their wage bill
 
Toloun have had a great run since this guy got involved but historically speaking they are not one of the power houses of French rugby
 
I suspect they along with teams like the sarries have very creative accountancy records


Some people will just see them as nasty baddies whatever happens I guess.

The truth is, the Scarlets have exactly the same operating model.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Sponsorship of 11.2 million is unbelievable. We need to sign up their marketing director!!!

 
Wouldn't shock me if their benefactor is or an associated company is  their main sponsor , it's bit like how man city  and psg do it

In France “sponsorship” includes any input from benefactors


Their main sponsors are Mutuelle des soleil, Orangina and Volkswagen. They're not connected with their benefactor at all. He says he doesn't put any money in the club routinely anymore as Toulon now turn a profit.
 
 
I doubt any rugby club makes a profit , let alone one with their wage bill
 
Toloun have had a great run since this guy got involved but historically speaking they are not one of the power houses of French rugby
 
I suspect they along with teams like the sarries have very creative accountancy records
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Sponsorship of 11.2 million is unbelievable. We need to sign up their marketing director!!!

 
Wouldn't shock me if their benefactor is or an associated company is  their main sponsor , it's bit like how man city  and psg do it

In France “sponsorship” includes any input from benefactors


Their main sponsors are Mutuelle des soleil, Orangina and Volkswagen. They're not connected with their benefactor at all. He says he doesn't put any money in the club routinely anymore as Toulon now turn a profit.

In general, I mean
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Not true, Toulon are held up by investors. They had a black hole of €3 million in their finances last year and were bailed by Mourad.


That's why I said "routinely".
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Not true, Toulon are held up by investors. They had a black hole of €3 million in their finances last year and were bailed by Mourad.
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Sponsorship of 11.2 million is unbelievable. We need to sign up their marketing director!!!

 
Wouldn't shock me if their benefactor is or an associated company is  their main sponsor , it's bit like how man city  and psg do it

In France “sponsorship” includes any input from benefactors


Their main sponsors are Mutuelle des soleil, Orangina and Volkswagen. They're not connected with their benefactor at all. He says he doesn't put any money in the club routinely anymore as Toulon now turn a profit.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Sponsorship of 11.2 million is unbelievable. We need to sign up their marketing director!!!

 
Wouldn't shock me if their benefactor is or an associated company is  their main sponsor , it's bit like how man city  and psg do it

In France “sponsorship” includes any input from benefactors
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

For context:
GDP of Ireland in 2017  = $337bn (not including NI)
GDP of NI in 2015 = $38bn
Total = $375bn (ball park)
GDP of Wales in 2015 (last I can find) = $85bn

So in terms of population and wealth, Wales is more akin to an Irish Province than the whole Island of Ireland!

I really don't get why so many people ignore this when complaining that the Scarlets don't have the crowds or budget that Leinster do.

It's like asking why Ireland are below the UK in the Olympic Medal tables

 
didn't we know all this when we demanded stand alone status though?
 
the IRFU have all the players centrally contracted and run the provincial game, I doubt anyone on here wants that for the region do they?
 
 


I’m not sayin we didn’t, or complaining about those facts. Just the idiots that say we should be getting 14000 in every week and having squads to match the Irish. It will never happen and we will have to continue punching above our weight
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Originally posted by Micro Duck Micro Duck wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

To put that £1.5m/yr in context, Sarries charge £500k per year to be shirt sponsors!


I was looking at Toulon's budget recently - the club makes 4.8m Euros through it's restaurant every year.


What are they selling?!!!


Well, you can see pictures of the dishes here:


though as far as I can see, there's no way to get the names/descriptions of the dishes - or the prices!

If you have to ask the price, you can’t afford it,
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

didn't we know all this when we demanded stand alone status though?
 
the IRFU have all the players centrally contracted and run the provincial game, I doubt anyone on here wants that for the region do they?
 
 

With Paddy Jackson exiled from Ireland, the IRFU want either Byrne or Carbery to switch from Leinster to Ulster. That's the system in Ireland - all obey the Union.


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Originally posted by D06Blue D06Blue wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Micro Duck Micro Duck wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

To put that £1.5m/yr in context, Sarries charge £500k per year to be shirt sponsors!


I was looking at Toulon's budget recently - the club makes 4.8m Euros through it's restaurant every year.

What are they selling?!!!
 
magic  beans  LOLLOLLOL
 
no rugby club restaurant is turning over 4.8 m euros a year, that is pure bunkum and smacks of cooking the books (like the pun?) .
 
As for Fardy damned good player and worth every penny leinster paid him as were the likes of thorne and elsom before him
 
 
Leinster  are excellent and picking up top class overseas players, yes they spend big but they still recruit well , plus they have a superb academy that brings through some great local players for them
 
 
It's pointless us carping about it and frankly it smacks of sour grapes, we are better than that
 
 
 
 
 
 


Why not? The RC Toulon restaurant is a full time business that is open every day serving food and drinks in the centre of town near the waterfront. They're not just churning out burgers on matchday. It is also open until 1am every matchday. It is quite conceivable that a business like that in a city like Toulon could be quite a success. Perhaps other clubs should look at this as an example of how they can increase revenue streams through other business ventures
 
 
92,000 euro a week for 52 weeks a year? including offseason?
 
seems well ott to me, it's a rugby club   restaurant   not the ivy mind , plus toloun nice place as it is . is hardly paris or rome or London  and won't have the same footfall


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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Micro Duck Micro Duck wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

To put that £1.5m/yr in context, Sarries charge £500k per year to be shirt sponsors!


I was looking at Toulon's budget recently - the club makes 4.8m Euros through it's restaurant every year.

What are they selling?!!!
 
magic  beans  LOLLOLLOL
 
no rugby club restaurant is turning over 4.8 m euros a year, that is pure bunkum and smacks of cooking the books (like the pun?) .
 
As for Fardy damned good player and worth every penny leinster paid him as were the likes of thorne and elsom before him
 
 
Leinster  are excellent and picking up top class overseas players, yes they spend big but they still recruit well , plus they have a superb academy that brings through some great local players for them
 
 
It's pointless us carping about it and frankly it smacks of sour grapes, we are better than that
 
 
 
 
 
 


Why not? The RC Toulon restaurant is a full time business that is open every day serving food and drinks in the centre of town near the waterfront. They're not just churning out burgers on matchday. It is also open until 1am every matchday. It is quite conceivable that a business like that in a city like Toulon could be quite a success. Perhaps other clubs should look at this as an example of how they can increase revenue streams through other business ventures
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

For context:
GDP of Ireland in 2017  = $337bn (not including NI)
GDP of NI in 2015 = $38bn
Total = $375bn (ball park)
GDP of Wales in 2015 (last I can find) = $85bn

So in terms of population and wealth, Wales is more akin to an Irish Province than the whole Island of Ireland!

I really don't get why so many people ignore this when complaining that the Scarlets don't have the crowds or budget that Leinster do.

It's like asking why Ireland are below the UK in the Olympic Medal tables
 
didn't we know all this when we demanded stand alone status though?
 
the IRFU have all the players centrally contracted and run the provincial game, I doubt anyone on here wants that for the region do they?
 
 


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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Micro Duck Micro Duck wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

To put that £1.5m/yr in context, Sarries charge £500k per year to be shirt sponsors!


I was looking at Toulon's budget recently - the club makes 4.8m Euros through it's restaurant every year.

What are they selling?!!!
 
magic  beans  LOLLOLLOL
 
no rugby club restaurant is turning over 4.8 m euros a year, that is pure bunkum and smacks of cooking the books (like the pun?) .
 
As for Fardy damned good player and worth every penny leinster paid him as were the likes of thorne and elsom before him
 
 
Leinster  are excellent and picking up top class overseas players, yes they spend big but they still recruit well , plus they have a superb academy that brings through some great local players for them
 
 
It's pointless us carping about it and frankly it smacks of sour grapes, we are better than that
 
 
 
 
 
 
Fortunate to have a number of good quality private rugby playing schools  in Dublin and area which are a good base of young local rugby talent for them. It is as it is though, and we have to do the best we can as RR says 
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