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Topic: WRU Posted: 04 September 2022 at 1:36pm |
Here's the link to the latest WRU / money story https://www.dai-sport.com/wru-tell-regions-heres-30m-for-your-players-its-mostly-a-loan-and-your-money-men-have-to-carry-the-risk/
Can see its being discussed in the main scarlets board too anyway.
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 11:54pm |
Has phil bb hacked your account  you literally can’t give me a single example of anything cardiff rugby have done to change since the game went regional. I like you and i enjoy our debates and respect your writing but your wrong here cardiff is a world wide brand it is also now a lower level urc team that is where they are at right now , that is a fact if you like it or not. The sense of entitlement is from cardiff fans who are living in the past, jones and his ilk can cry me a river welsh rugby is not run for his or for cardiff rugby benefit , he needs to suck it up and move on and actually adapt not act like dinosaurs and bang on about the” good old days”
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 10:24pm |
We haven’t got regional rugby in Wales and we never have done. This is a good thing because it creates entitlement. The only thing regional is the development pathway each professional side runs. Cardiff is a serious brand known throughout the rugby world, it’s common sense to make that name the focus of your branding. If you get a chance listen to the podcast with Marco Masotti the majority shareholder at the Sharks. In many ways it was a cop out to drop Llanelli from our name. The main reason Cardiff or any of the other pro sides haven’t kicked on is because of the constraints bestowed upon them by the so called “protect reset.” The majority of our problems stem from the governance of the game.
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 10:04pm |
Out of curiosity what do we think the WRU manages well currently?
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 9:57pm |
From my distant view, they made a big fuss and fanfare about dropping Blues from their name.
Don’t know what else changed, if anything.
Lots of Twitter posts about it. Lots of fanfare but what has been delivered? They can’t do much about the stadium. They can do something about the squad but are tied by the way they dealt with the Covid pay cuts.
Their fans fume regularly about the lack of effort and journeymen they’ve got in the squad and management.
None of it absolves the WRU from their part in all this. It just compounds the games that are being played to divert attention from the rank incompetence that has been all too present for far too long.
The stifling of the talent that we know and see by the not so able sitting in the seats of governance. It’s of Olympian standard. Shame it doesn’t come with the same funding.
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 9:45pm |
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I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp. One thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot. Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh. I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow. | They did make changes. Look at the quality of businessmen/women on their board. They, along with the other pro sides, changed during “project reset” but the WRU didn’t live up to their side of the bargain. Until we have serious governance chance then the pro game is unsustainable |
no They didn’t . they call themelves cArdiff they play every game in cardiff and in cardiff colours, what have they lchanged? Answr is nothing so let’s not pretend otherwise, they are literally the same as cardiff pre regionAl rugby. So spare me this they have changed rhetoric
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 7:45pm |
Dic Penderyn wrote:
KID A wrote:
Dic Penderyn wrote:
scarletnut wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp. One thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot. Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh. I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow. | They did make changes. Look at the quality of businessmen/women on their board. They, along with the other pro sides, changed during “project reset” but the WRU didn’t live up to their side of the bargain. Until we have serious governance chance then the pro game is unsustainable |
There is ,of course,the need for change in the way the game is administered.Howevsr,it is not solely about quality business people.It is also about quality rugby people,with serious rugby knowledge and intelligence:that is something that seems all too often to be lacking in Wales. |
We just go round and round in circles though. Lack of resources means the top coaches aren't in Wales. Seriously, do you think the likes of Stephen Larkham, Graham Rowntree, Felip Contempomi, Jake White, Stuart Lancaster would coach in Wales instead of being at other URC sides? The answer is no, because they will go where the money is. |
You are correct in that the best will always be able to name their price:that's what professional sport is all about.In Wales however there are 2 main problems: 1.A player's value is,ultimately,decided by the National Coach.zEven though atm the position is occupied by Pivac,the players at his disposal are still,to a great extent,those favoured by his predecessor.The system used to pay players is totally flawed,artificial,and hugely detrimental to progressive development.It needs to be dispensed with asap. 2.Darren Edwards,Flannagan,Babs-just a few Welsh coaches to come through the current system.Not inspiring. Currently the system does not produce the kind of talent that will ever name its price.Mediocrity is tolerated too often.
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Your first point is spot on and is a massive problem. The system is broken in fact I don’t think it ever worked
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 6:22pm |
KID A wrote:
Dic Penderyn wrote:
scarletnut wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp. One thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot. Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh. I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow. | They did make changes. Look at the quality of businessmen/women on their board. They, along with the other pro sides, changed during “project reset” but the WRU didn’t live up to their side of the bargain. Until we have serious governance chance then the pro game is unsustainable |
There is ,of course,the need for change in the way the game is administered.Howevsr,it is not solely about quality business people.It is also about quality rugby people,with serious rugby knowledge and intelligence:that is something that seems all too often to be lacking in Wales. |
We just go round and round in circles though. Lack of resources means the top coaches aren't in Wales. Seriously, do you think the likes of Stephen Larkham, Graham Rowntree, Felip Contempomi, Jake White, Stuart Lancaster would coach in Wales instead of being at other URC sides? The answer is no, because they will go where the money is. |
You are correct in that the best will always be able to name their price:that's what professional sport is all about.In Wales however there are 2 main problems: 1.A player's value is,ultimately,decided by the National Coach.zEven though atm the position is occupied by Pivac,the players at his disposal are still,to a great extent,those favoured by his predecessor.The system used to pay players is totally flawed,artificial,and hugely detrimental to progressive development.It needs to be dispensed with asap. 2.Darren Edwards,Flannagan,Babs-just a few Welsh coaches to come through the current system.Not inspiring. Currently the system does not produce the kind of talent that will ever name its price.Mediocrity is tolerated too often.
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 5:12pm |
Dic Penderyn wrote:
scarletnut wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp. One thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot. Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh. I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow. | They did make changes. Look at the quality of businessmen/women on their board. They, along with the other pro sides, changed during “project reset” but the WRU didn’t live up to their side of the bargain. Until we have serious governance chance then the pro game is unsustainable |
There is ,of course,the need for change in the way the game is administered.Howevsr,it is not solely about quality business people.It is also about quality rugby people,with serious rugby knowledge and intelligence:that is something that seems all too often to be lacking in Wales. | We just go round and round in circles though. Lack of resources means the top coaches aren't in Wales. Seriously, do you think the likes of Stephen Larkham, Graham Rowntree, Felip Contempomi, Jake White, Stuart Lancaster would coach in Wales instead of being at other URC sides? The answer is no, because they will go where the money is.
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 3:17pm |
scarletnut wrote:
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I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp. One thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot. Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh. I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow. | They did make changes. Look at the quality of businessmen/women on their board. They, along with the other pro sides, changed during “project reset” but the WRU didn’t live up to their side of the bargain. Until we have serious governance chance then the pro game is unsustainable |
There is ,of course,the need for change in the way the game is administered.Howevsr,it is not solely about quality business people.It is also about quality rugby people,with serious rugby knowledge and intelligence:that is something that seems all too often to be lacking in Wales.
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 2:38pm |
RR1972 wrote:
I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp. One thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot. Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh. I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow. |
They did make changes. Look at the quality of businessmen/women on their board. They, along with the other pro sides, changed during “project reset” but the WRU didn’t live up to their side of the bargain. Until we have serious governance chance then the pro game is unsustainable
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 10:12am |
I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp. One thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot. Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh. I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow.
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 10:09am |
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So Welsh rugby has just lost Andrew Williams, the longest serving FTSE 100 CEO in the UK. This is deeply troubling. Welsh rugby has now lost two FTSE 100 CEO’s in less than a year. We just can’t afford to lose administrators of that quality.
A parting shot from Williams “I love the club and want it to get back to the top table of British and European rugby, which will require major changes to the way the professional game in Wales is run.”
As I said until the professional game breaks away then rugby in this country is f***d. |
what role did he have in the wru? Tbh ive not heard of the guy so excuse my ignorance
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Posted: 13 August 2022 at 7:10am |
scarletnut wrote:
So Welsh rugby has just lost Andrew Williams, the longest serving FTSE 100 CEO in the UK. This is deeply troubling. Welsh rugby has now lost two FTSE 100 CEO’s in less than a year. We just can’t afford to lose administrators of that quality.
A parting shot from Williams “I love the club and want it to get back to the top table of British and European rugby, which will require major changes to the way the professional game in Wales is run.”
As I said until the professional game breaks away then rugby in this country is f***d. |
That’s yet more bad news as the average governance and forward thinking capability of the pro game in Wales worsens once more.
Instead of cherishing these prized assets, they’re being castaway against a background of mediocrity, indecision and/or bad decisions.
The self-servers who think only of the gravy train and their own perks need to realise that they’re heading towards a self-destructive desert where there’s no gravy, no perks, no decent national side and the cash cow of the stadium is mostly empty for matches against Tier 2 teams.
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Posted: 12 August 2022 at 10:24pm |
So Welsh rugby has just lost Andrew Williams, the longest serving FTSE 100 CEO in the UK. This is deeply troubling. Welsh rugby has now lost two FTSE 100 CEO’s in less than a year. We just can’t afford to lose administrators of that quality.
A parting shot from Williams “I love the club and want it to get back to the top table of British and European rugby, which will require major changes to the way the professional game in Wales is run.”
As I said until the professional game breaks away then rugby in this country is f***d.
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Posted: 12 August 2022 at 5:42pm |
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What we need to do is give the whole urc and european money directly to the regions . They can pay what ever salarys they see fit to the players. At present we have a mis mash of part central part regional funding for players. It’s a mess
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What URC and European money? The WRU already pass on the competition money to the 4 pro clubs. It's about £12m I think. | The money from the sale of shares and revenue (that used to go to the clubs) in URC etc to CVC.
Correct me if I am wrong, however, I think none of that capital received was passed onto the 4 pro clubs in return for them having given up a share of future competition revenue.
<span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">A selling something to B but the money is kept by C is somewhat unusual.</span>
| The CVC money? Yes that just seemed to go on capital projects. There's been very little increase to the 4 pro clubs for years. And now we'll also be burdening those loan repayments too (although it was restructured). I've no idea what goes on behind the scenes but from what we can see, the owners of the 4 pro clubs seem perfectly happy to consistently be in the lower half of the URC, nowhere near a Heineken Cup final, smaller squads with less quality, underpaid the market rate for the services of player release, playing away games in Africa instead of England etc etc. We're a soft touch. Previous administrators of the Scarlets wouldn't have stood for this.
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