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    Posted: 31 May 2021 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by Lee Lee wrote:

It is a good job that Brian McNeice is not clued up on his relativistic physics otherwise Javan would have been red carded for head butting the Munster player's shoulder.Embarrassed

Dan McFarland's post match comments said exactly that. He alleged that Javan led with his head. Can't find the quote now.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mundoscarlet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2021 at 12:38pm
We've been pulled up on this a few times this season for sure.its what suits the refs imho
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Did anyone see Hastings forwa4d pass for Glasgow last night for the try that gave them the bonus try point.  He passed it about a metre outside the 22 and the winger caught it about 2 to 3 metres inside the 22, Sam Davies challenged it but TMO stated that the ball went backwards from Hastings - a very strange call, unless the TMO was looking at the final pass, which was level.  
When it was given, even Hastings looked amused.


Although this may sound counter-intuitive, I think the officials were right in this case. For instance, if the passer of the ball was moving toward the Dragons line at say 6 m/s when passing the ball, and the receiver took the pass 1s later, the ball would have moved forward 6m in flight because it already had a forward component of 6m/s. This would be true even if the ball was released in a legal, lateral direction (or even slightly backward towards the receiver (and the touchline)

I always thought that if the ball ended up closer to the try line than the point from where it left the passer's hands then it is deemed a forward pass. Simple as that. 

Unless it’s a Scarlets player where it would be a perfectly fine pass. 
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It is a good job that Brian McNeice is not clued up on his relativistic physics otherwise Javan would have been red carded for head butting the Munster player's shoulder.Embarrassed
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Yeah, IRB have some videos of a bloke running forward and throwing a ball backwards over his head when he hits a line.

He is undeniably throwing backwards but the ball lands in front of the line: momentum.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dai Guevara Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2021 at 10:52pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Did anyone see Hastings forwa4d pass for Glasgow last night for the try that gave them the bonus try point.  He passed it about a metre outside the 22 and the winger caught it about 2 to 3 metres inside the 22, Sam Davies challenged it but TMO stated that the ball went backwards from Hastings - a very strange call, unless the TMO was looking at the final pass, which was level.  
When it was given, even Hastings looked amused.


Although this may sound counter-intuitive, I think the officials were right in this case. For instance, if the passer of the ball was moving toward the Dragons line at say 6 m/s when passing the ball, and the receiver took the pass 1s later, the ball would have moved forward 6m in flight because it already had a forward component of 6m/s. This would be true even if the ball was released in a legal, lateral direction (or even slightly backward towards the receiver (and the touchline)


I always thought that if the ball ended up closer to the try line than the point from where it left the passer's hands then it is deemed a forward pass. Simple as that. 

If the passer is stationary that's certainly true, but if the passer is moving forward then the passed ball can be directed laterally and legally but also have a forward component due to the passer's forward motion.
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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Did anyone see Hastings forwa4d pass for Glasgow last night for the try that gave them the bonus try point.  He passed it about a metre outside the 22 and the winger caught it about 2 to 3 metres inside the 22, Sam Davies challenged it but TMO stated that the ball went backwards from Hastings - a very strange call, unless the TMO was looking at the final pass, which was level.  
When it was given, even Hastings looked amused.


Although this may sound counter-intuitive, I think the officials were right in this case. For instance, if the passer of the ball was moving toward the Dragons line at say 6 m/s when passing the ball, and the receiver took the pass 1s later, the ball would have moved forward 6m in flight because it already had a forward component of 6m/s. This would be true even if the ball was released in a legal, lateral direction (or even slightly backward towards the receiver (and the touchline)

I always thought that if the ball ended up closer to the try line than the point from where it left the passer's hands then it is deemed a forward pass. Simple as that. 
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Did anyone see Hastings forwa4d pass for Glasgow last night for the try that gave them the bonus try point.  He passed it about a metre outside the 22 and the winger caught it about 2 to 3 metres inside the 22, Sam Davies challenged it but TMO stated that the ball went backwards from Hastings - a very strange call, unless the TMO was looking at the final pass, which was level.  
When it was given, even Hastings looked amused.


Although this may sound counter-intuitive, I think the officials were right in this case. For instance, if the passer of the ball was moving toward the Dragons line at say 6 m/s when passing the ball, and the receiver took the pass 1s later, the ball would have moved forward 6m in flight because it already had a forward component of 6m/s. This would be true even if the ball was released in a legal, lateral direction (or even slightly backward towards the receiver (and the touchline)
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Originally posted by Lee Lee wrote:

The catain's challenge is not needed. It has spoiled the end of a couple of close games already.
As said earlier, there is a tmo to pick up on anything missed and a citing procedure (for what its worth) to punish any serious offences.
Just don't see the benefits of it. A captain is always going to put in some sort of challenge at the end of close games and turn an exciting finish into a farce.
Indeed 👍 Scrap it I say. 
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Did anyone see Hastings forwa4d pass for Glasgow last night for the try that gave them the bonus try point.  He passed it about a metre outside the 22 and the winger caught it about 2 to 3 metres inside the 22, Sam Davies challenged it but TMO stated that the ball went backwards from Hastings - a very strange call, unless the TMO was looking at the final pass, which was level.  
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The catain's challenge is not needed. It has spoiled the end of a couple of close games already.
As said earlier, there is a tmo to pick up on anything missed and a citing procedure (for what its worth) to punish any serious offences.
Just don't see the benefits of it. A captain is always going to put in some sort of challenge at the end of close games and turn an exciting finish into a farce.


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All I know is that I really don’t like the Captain’s Challenge. It’s adding on more stand and watch time to a game that is already policed by 3 on field officials plus a TMO. It’s all very negative to have players now contesting decisions as well. It’s going to encourage more of it as well. I would like it binned asap 
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  Why you cannot kick ball into the ruck, you obviously have not watched it?? absolute stupidity .










 
The TMO thought the ball hadn’t left the ruck. Thoughts on the offence that should have been red?
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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  Why you cannot kick ball into the ruck, you obviously have not watched it?? absolute stupidity .










 
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  The ball had definitely left the ruck, so it was a penalty as Lloyd kicked it back in . Blues fans making hell of a fuss, nothing said about the woeful officiating us Scarlets at to endure , on there two visits to the Parc this season .

    We were not great in either game,but the officiating in both games was criminal .
If this was against the Scarlets you would be up in arms.
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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  The ball had definitely left the ruck, so it was a penalty as Lloyd kicked it back in . Blues fans making hell of a fuss, nothing said about the woeful officiating us Scarlets at to endure , on there two visits to the Parc this season .

    We were not great in either game,but the officiating in both games was criminal .
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