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    Posted: 11 October 2021 at 6:30pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

That was awful but did people honestly think Dwayne was going to be able to sort everything out after a mere three games? There’s some serious underlying issues at the club and it’s going to take a significant amount of time for Dwayne to turn things around. 
Of course this is correct and there was way too much hubris pre-game.

However, that was a bit more than a bump in the road. It was a huge step backwards after a couple of promising if not excellent games.

It's almost inconceivable that Munster, Leinster, Ulster or Connacht would ever fold like we did on Sunday.
It's not new, we've been here many times before and in fairness so have Cardiff and Ospreys. 

This phenomenon of seemingly "phoning in" a game does seem to be a Welsh malaise.

Defence was shoddy, decision making poor at times. Aggression was missing and poor old Sam had probably his worst game for us so far.

It's very perturbing. 


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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Hard not to agree with dai , we really need to work out how to deal with the blitz defence better than we do at present


Had Steff Evs knee not been in touch we had a penalty coming, the Munster skipper made sure the ref knew about Ken’s knock on whilst the TMO checked the grounding. Scrum to them.
Small thing, big outcome.

Multiple pens conceded in the Munster 22…not much in the way of a yellow considered, or even a warning…that was an opportunity.

It’s not Foxy per se, it’s just that an outside back doesn’t have a great vantage point for a lot that goes on,

Fair point Wil, however in Edinburgh, Foxy aske Brace to check whether their SH had got back onside, but he ignored Foxy's point. Brace has since apologised to the Scarlets for making a complete mess of the decision on their 3rd try.

Perhaps there needs to be a directive that in cases such as we've mentioned, the TMO/ref must look into what the skipper points out. A written apology a week later does the game a disservice.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Hard not to agree with dai , we really need to work out how to deal with the blitz defence better than we do at present


Had Steff Evs knee not been in touch we had a penalty coming, the Munster skipper made sure the ref knew about Ken’s knock on whilst the TMO checked the grounding. Scrum to them.
Small thing, big outcome.

Multiple pens conceded in the Munster 22…not much in the way of a yellow considered, or even a warning…that was an opportunity.

It’s not Foxy per se, it’s just that an outside back doesn’t have a great vantage point for a lot that goes on,

Messages are sent on via the water carriers and physios aren't they ?
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Sorry was meant to be a reply to Reesy’s post there.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Hard not to agree with dai , we really need to work out how to deal with the blitz defence better than we do at present


Had Steff Evs knee not been in touch we had a penalty coming, the Munster skipper made sure the ref knew about Ken’s knock on whilst the TMO checked the grounding. Scrum to them.
Small thing, big outcome.

Multiple pens conceded in the Munster 22…not much in the way of a yellow considered, or even a warning…that was an opportunity.

It’s not Foxy per se, it’s just that an outside back doesn’t have a great vantage point for a lot that goes on,
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Didn’t see much debate with the referee and Captain Foxy eg pointing out that they were often offside on the blitz defence! At the very least get the referee looking at it . He needs to be more chirpy and streetwise. 
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Hard not to agree with dai , we really need to work out how to deal with the blitz defence better than we do at present
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Our ball was usually slow and the Munster backs were up, at pace, amongst our backs as they received the ball, knocking them over and continually threatening interceptions or forcing us into panic passing/off-loading. This happened regularly, yet no-one told the backs to lie deeper or chip the ball over the on-rushing Munster players into the space that must lie behind them if they are up so quickly. Our only try came from a kick into space by Costellow and a fine chase by McNicholl. But still nothing clicked in the minds of our "strategists". Whatever the pre-match game-plan was, by the 30 minute mark, it was apparent that it wasn't working. But despite having a host of experienced players on the field no attempt was made to counter the rush defence, and Munster didn't need to change their game plan which had been expertly formulated to take advantage of our weaknesses.
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How many of that munster team would be first team starters? The 7 ? Will was right when he said they would still be good though. I thought we’d win And win well tbh
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2021 at 11:08am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by tannerbankboy tannerbankboy wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

No excuses if we don’t win with bonus point Munster obviously don’t rate us, let’s go out and show them they are wrong. 

LOL

Some comments, however right they may have seemed at the time, just don't age well.

LOL

Stand by the comments if we want to be challenging then we should be beating second teams. We have bought backs to the point that we now are overstocked with wings and centres. Did we really need to get Scott and Conbeer back when the most obvious weakness are in the second and back row yet we bring in Price and an Osprey 5 th choice albeit for a month loan.
See Glasgow are looking at SA second row from Sale they can afford it surely we can. We could have if we hadn’t spent money on backs we didn’t really need. We are a shambles and everyone on here has pointed where we are lacking quality out why can’t the board. 
I’m going to Bordeaux but will enjoy the wine and little else unless things change drastically. 



The mistake you have made on your working assumption, and you weren’t alone,was that this was a Munster 2nd team.


Regardless of that, losing at home and shipping 40 points to anyone is woeful.


In fairness to Why Wil it was a 2nd team. Look at the backs - 15. Haley, 14, Earls 13. Farrell 12. De Allende 11. Zebo 10. Carbury 9. Murray. That would be the recognised starting line up. Also missing Scannell, Kilcoyne, Beirne, O'Mahoney & Coombes from the pack so it is not wrong to describe it as a 2nd team. That the team selected followed their gameplan & gleefully accepted our weak defence around the fringes & out wide is to their credit and that of the coaches.

I do agree that some of that Munster team will be giving their more recognised squad colleagues serious pressure in the coming months. 



Different point entirely though. We could say we were missing Sanjay, Halfpenny, Patchell, Macleod and Lousi using that narrative.
Also of the list of Munster players above only 2 were involved last week.

The issue that I'm failing to highlight is that becuase Munster changed 11 of the 23 from last week, the assumption was that it was a weaker outfit. I'm not sure that's right really.

This week they brought in to the starting 15 Chris Cloete, last season's Pro 14 top turnover winner at 7, Matt Gallagher, who had a good career with Saracens before being signed up by Munster, Dan Goggin who's been an ever present in the 23 for the last few seasons, as has Neil Cronin at SH ( just back after an ACL). They basically switched the starting from row to the bench from last week and vice versa.

In no way does this justify the defeat and our performance however.

Edited by Wil Chips - 11 October 2021 at 12:32pm
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We have got a short turnaround this week. I hope they have a big defensive session tomorrow when they train.
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

That was awful but did people honestly think Dwayne was going to be able to sort everything out after a mere three games? There’s some serious underlying issues at the club and it’s going to take a significant amount of time for Dwayne to turn things around. 

What timescale we looking at that’s acceptable?
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

That was awful but did people honestly think Dwayne was going to be able to sort everything out after a mere three games? There’s some serious underlying issues at the club and it’s going to take a significant amount of time for Dwayne to turn things around. 

What timescale we looking at that’s acceptable?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GPR - Rochester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2021 at 8:17am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by tannerbankboy tannerbankboy wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

No excuses if we don’t win with bonus point Munster obviously don’t rate us, let’s go out and show them they are wrong. 

LOL

Some comments, however right they may have seemed at the time, just don't age well.

LOL

Stand by the comments if we want to be challenging then we should be beating second teams. We have bought backs to the point that we now are overstocked with wings and centres. Did we really need to get Scott and Conbeer back when the most obvious weakness are in the second and back row yet we bring in Price and an Osprey 5 th choice albeit for a month loan.
See Glasgow are looking at SA second row from Sale they can afford it surely we can. We could have if we hadn’t spent money on backs we didn’t really need. We are a shambles and everyone on here has pointed where we are lacking quality out why can’t the board. 
I’m going to Bordeaux but will enjoy the wine and little else unless things change drastically. 



The mistake you have made on your working assumption, and you weren’t alone,was that this was a Munster 2nd team.


Regardless of that, losing at home and shipping 40 points to anyone is woeful.

In fairness to Why Wil it was a 2nd team. Look at the backs - 15. Haley, 14, Earls 13. Farrell 12. De Allende 11. Zebo 10. Carbury 9. Murray. That would be the recognised starting line up. Also missing Scannell, Kilcoyne, Beirne, O'Mahoney & Coombes from the pack so it is not wrong to describe it as a 2nd team. That the team selected followed their gameplan & gleefully accepted our weak defence around the fringes & out wide is to their credit and that of the coaches.

I do agree that some of that Munster team will be giving their more recognised squad colleagues serious pressure in the coming months. 
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It felt like we went back to last season yesterday, time & time again we would have a runner with no support, so no one to clear out. I don't know an exact figure for sure but the amount of times we got turned over or pinged for holding on must have been fairly high. Though that may be due to us not having an effective second row, ala Jake, to come in & wipe out the would be jackler from the opposition. 

As someone else mentioned, we are crying out for a jackler at the breakdown & we offer very little threat of this. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2021 at 8:08am
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by tannerbankboy tannerbankboy wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

No excuses if we don’t win with bonus point Munster obviously don’t rate us, let’s go out and show them they are wrong. 

LOL

Some comments, however right they may have seemed at the time, just don't age well.

LOL

Stand by the comments if we want to be challenging then we should be beating second teams. We have bought backs to the point that we now are overstocked with wings and centres. Did we really need to get Scott and Conbeer back when the most obvious weakness are in the second and back row yet we bring in Price and an Osprey 5 th choice albeit for a month loan.
See Glasgow are looking at SA second row from Sale they can afford it surely we can. We could have if we hadn’t spent money on backs we didn’t really need. We are a shambles and everyone on here has pointed where we are lacking quality out why can’t the board. 
I’m going to Bordeaux but will enjoy the wine and little else unless things change drastically. 



The mistake you have made on your working assumption, and you weren’t alone,was that this was a Munster 2nd team.


Regardless of that, losing at home and shipping 40 points to anyone is woeful.


Edited by Wil Chips - 11 October 2021 at 8:09am
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