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    Posted: 15 October 2021 at 10:57am
Back Row with Kalamafoni & Davis out should be:-

6 Shingler
7 Lezzana
8 Blade

The Wales and Scotland squads named this week show our lack of international quality in the second and back row, although a fit Josh McLeod may have changed that. 
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I haven't read the entire thread but it started with a suggestion that Daf Hughes should be on the bench. He's back up at the Drovers not in the Scarlets squad. He's obviously available to rejoin the squad at short notice but... 
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15. McNicholl
14. Rogers
13. Davies
12. Williams
11. Conbeer
10. Jones
9. Davies
8. Thomson
7. Lezana
6. Shingler
5. Ashley
4. Lousi
3. John
2. Elias
1. Evans

Conbeer for Steff Evans - Poor tackling and all round play was poor.

Williams for Williams - Change due to injury, if fit as you were.

Jones for Costelow - Costelow had a game to forget.

Kalamafoni - Thomson in at 8 due to injury.

Lezana - Dan Davies injury, even if fit he still gets brushed off the ball too easily.

Shingler - Needs to be in back row.

John - Impressed in scrum after coming on for Lee.

Elias for Ken- As already stated Ken was poor.
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Ryan was carrying a knock so Tom Rogers came in & kept his place for Munster. If Ryan is back fit which I believe he is then he deserves to take Steff's place for Saturday. Hopefully Cory Baldwin is not too far off a return & we can see him at 13 against Benetton. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 October 2021 at 4:29am
Originally posted by Mr Lee91 Mr Lee91 wrote:

Originally posted by Calon_Coch2 Calon_Coch2 wrote:

I’m sorry but if we are not selecting players after last week’s game on that one performance then I’m sorry you drop the 23. The whole team were poor.  We let in 7 tries last week, not just the one that Steff missed on his wing. There is no-one more disappointed in that performance than the players themselves. Apparently the coaching team have had to deal with low morale this week without the fans getting on their backs too.  I
Know we are all entitled to our opinions, but at the end of the day the coaches are the ones who know the players and see them in training etc. and know what they can bring to the match day squad. We see them for 80 mins, once a week. 


I agree we don't see or know how the players apply themselves during training though it is those 80 minutes, that we see, all that training is for and if they don't produce or replicate what they do on the training field then quite frankly they don't deserve their spot.

I don't agree with singling out players to say their entirely responsible for a loss, it's always the 23 and coach. Keeping morale high and dealing with fans reactions is in the coaches job description and isn't good reason to justify negative results or poor performances.

Where Steff is concerned, he's always had his defensive frailties, which aren't improving and are not good enough and now his finishing has begun to decline as well, he's botched 2 tries in the corner this season already with how he's attacked the line (one didn't matter because of an offence earlier in play) which suggests to me he needs a fire lit under his backside.
Conbeer didn't deserve to be dropped after the Edinburgh game so bring him back in for Leinster.
I don't think Mcnicholl is here next week for Benetton so hopefully we'd get a quick reaction from Steff




Also Conbeer was injured not actually dropped .
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Originally posted by Calon_Coch2 Calon_Coch2 wrote:

I’m sorry but if we are not selecting players after last week’s game on that one performance then I’m sorry you drop the 23. The whole team were poor.  We let in 7 tries last week, not just the one that Steff missed on his wing. There is no-one more disappointed in that performance than the players themselves. Apparently the coaching team have had to deal with low morale this week without the fans getting on their backs too.  I
Know we are all entitled to our opinions, but at the end of the day the coaches are the ones who know the players and see them in training etc. and know what they can bring to the match day squad. We see them for 80 mins, once a week. 

I agree we don't see or know how the players apply themselves during training though it is those 80 minutes, that we see, all that training is for and if they don't produce or replicate what they do on the training field then quite frankly they don't deserve their spot.

I don't agree with singling out players to say their entirely responsible for a loss, it's always the 23 and coach. Keeping morale high and dealing with fans reactions is in the coaches job description and isn't good reason to justify negative results or poor performances.

Where Steff is concerned, he's always had his defensive frailties, which aren't improving and are not good enough and now his finishing has begun to decline as well, he's botched 2 tries in the corner this season already with how he's attacked the line (one didn't matter because of an offence earlier in play) which suggests to me he needs a fire lit under his backside.
Conbeer didn't deserve to be dropped after the Edinburgh game so bring him back in for Leinster.
I don't think Mcnicholl is here next week for Benetton so hopefully we'd get a quick reaction from Steff
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Calon_Coch2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 October 2021 at 7:40pm
I’m sorry but if we are not selecting players after last week’s game on that one performance then I’m sorry you drop the 23. The whole team were poor.  We let in 7 tries last week, not just the one that Steff missed on his wing. There is no-one more disappointed in that performance than the players themselves. Apparently the coaching team have had to deal with low morale this week without the fans getting on their backs too.  I
Know we are all entitled to our opinions, but at the end of the day the coaches are the ones who know the players and see them in training etc. and know what they can bring to the match day squad. We see them for 80 mins, once a week. 
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I appreciate nobody has quite suggested this, but it's far too soon to be writing off this new coaching regime.
Dwayne does, however, have some huge calls to make for selection this weekend. I'm not usually in favour of picking the same team that performed poorly in the previous game, to give them a chance to 'redeem themselves.' But then again, for example, Ken performed poorly but Elias was just as bad. I do think changes at second row is a must. Also, despite the danger he is in attack, Steff is a liability until he learns to tackle. Sione's injury highlights how vulnerable we are at 8.
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Coaching all comes down to the one in charge, in our case Dwayne. You could get the world's supposed best to assist him but if there's playing, philosophy or personal clashes it just won't work.
I'm not saying all the blame should go on the head coach when things go wrong but they should take the lion's share of responsibility.

Before the season began I had a few things I wanted to see. 
A pattern in attack wether it's phase 1 or 20
A defensive system that we implement
We pick on form, give youngsters a chance, not let players glory years influence their playing time

So far, I'm only seeing bits of an attacking pattern come together.
Still alot of work to do. Should see what direction we are going in come mid January
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

. We must remember though that their coaching team have been pretty stable for a few years while ours is very new.


And in their backroom staff, they have the likes of :

Stephen Larkham (coached Australia)
Graham Rowntree (coached England and the British Lions)
JP Ferreira (Coached Lions in super rugby who had the best defensive record of all sides)

While we.......er haven't.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Hard to sing when your getting a pasting. Personally i don’t like sunday kick offs either atmosphere always seems a bit flatter
I think we all felt flabbergasted into silence as the game unfolded, by the ease that our opposition were taking us apart especially a team laden with current and former Welsh internationals. A nightmare in the sun but definitely no boos. I do come back to coaching though- surely we were outcoached which is a worry.

Yes the Munster team looked well drilled thats for sure. We must remember though that their coaching team have been pretty stable for a few years while ours is very new. If we haven't made progress by this time next season it will be huge disappointment. The fundamentals of the game never change & Dwayne must concentrate on honing these first & foremost. I am pretty certain though that Hogan didn't suggest that Ken offered a 10 metre gap inside him for their No 8 to run through or indeed for Steff to abandon his wing.

Strange to see some people criticise the coaches,given their sanguine reactions to last season's rubbish.Some people,I recall,just muttered about "Bok power" and spoke of the need to recruit in the pack following the hammering against Sale:late in the season,when it was abundantly clear that change was needed in the coaching set-up.Methinks that certain noses are out of joint because of certain selection decisions regarding certain players........."compared to Welsh rugby,politics in Westminster is in its infancy".
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I watched on television and i could definitely hear booing from somewhere 
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Hard to sing when your getting a pasting. Personally i don’t like sunday kick offs either atmosphere always seems a bit flatter
I think we all felt flabbergasted into silence as the game unfolded, by the ease that our opposition were taking us apart especially a team laden with current and former Welsh internationals. A nightmare in the sun but definitely no boos. I do come back to coaching though- surely we were outcoached which is a worry.

Yes the Munster team looked well drilled thats for sure. We must remember though that their coaching team have been pretty stable for a few years while ours is very new. If we haven't made progress by this time next season it will be huge disappointment. The fundamentals of the game never change & Dwayne must concentrate on honing these first & foremost. I am pretty certain though that Hogan didn't suggest that Ken offered a 10 metre gap inside him for their No 8 to run through or indeed for Steff to abandon his wing.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Hard to sing when your getting a pasting. Personally i don’t like sunday kick offs either atmosphere always seems a bit flatter
I think we all felt flabbergasted into silence as the game unfolded, by the ease that our opposition were taking us apart especially a team laden with current and former Welsh internationals. A nightmare in the sun but definitely no boos. I do come back to coaching though- surely we were outcoached which is a worry.
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Hard to sing when your getting a pasting. Personally i don’t like sunday kick offs either atmosphere always seems a bit flatter
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

That’s the issue with this forum. Some players can do no wrong whatsoever with some people. 


I don’t see it like that tho. I just assume the players are trying their best and sometimes make mistakes, go missing or aren’t good enough.

There are a few players that play for us I just think aren’t good enough. They once might have been good enough, but aren’t anymore. Or I see them as 3rd choice injury cover.

But I don’t bother mentioning them by name because 
a.) the coaches can tell better than I can 
b.) their friends or family are actually quite likely reading this forum 
c.) I want this forum and this club to be an optimistic and enlightening place - which it largely is.

There are two contrasting games I think of as the best and worst of being a Scarlets supporter. Bath away in 2018 and Cardiff home in one of the Christmas derbies where PyS booed our team at the final whistle.

The best of the Scarlets was that Bath away trip, we played scintillating rugby but we also backed it up as fans - bath fans were saying how incredible we were singing for 60 mins straight. it makes being a Scarlets fan feel special, something different.

Booing our own players makes me feel like we’re fans of any other sports franchise - sat there expecting to be entertained.

When we criticise the players on here I always feel it’s like a background hum of those boos, and it does nothing for me.

When I see people commenting on specific things players do well and what the team needs to improve, I feel a little more like I can hear a quiet chorus of lawr ar lan y mor as we’re supporting the team and helping them get better.

Obviously it’s naive and these posts have no impact on results - but I think this place does have a role in shaping the atmosphere of our great fans - home and away.



Well constructed point.

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