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    Posted: 17 March 2023 at 12:45pm
GPR, that’s great to hear and another reminder re modern tech allowing long distance info share on progress with the videos.

Interesting re the Metacam 2 on 2 off regime. Our collie is 13 or so and he’s been on it solidly for a year. Will bring this up with the vets next time. Will ask our French vets next month when he has his pre-return to UK check what they reckon. We prefer our vets there to here. More experience and less turnover of staff.
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Ok a further & hopefully final update. Some of this information could prove helpful to other posters who have been very kind in sharing their stories and helping Diane & I understand what is available - I thank you all. 

Hydrogel injections done on Wednesday and after a a bit of dosy day yesterday due to anaesthetic Brenin is back to his lively, good walking self. The vet advised that he was very pleased with progress and that we should now start to introduce off the lead periods in the garden to help build back his muscle tone. We can step this up gradually & keep feeding back videos of his movement for ongoing comment. 

On the subject of pain relief he suggested taking him off after a week. Metacam will still be needed to fight the inflammation which will be ongoing as a result of the arthritis. He suggested two weeks on and two weeks off for the metacam reducing his exposure & possibilities of side effects. Oracle's advice of regular blood tests will be taken on board. 
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Well its coming up to 2 weeks since Brenin had his 2nd PRP treatment & was prescribed new pain killers. The transformation has been excellent. He is happy to put his full weight on his left leg which was, prior to the 2nd treatment, almost permanently raised. 

We are going back to Marlow on Wednesday for another non invasive treatment which is hydrogel. This involves injecting into both his front elbows a fluid which helps form a pad between the bones effectively helping make up for damaged cartilage. Once this is done we are hopeful that the non invasive options will have worked and maybe we can have a spring/summer season of outdoor activity in our garden as normal - fingers crossed. 

Glad to hear he is responding to the treatment and hope he continues to improve. 

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Well its coming up to 2 weeks since Brenin had his 2nd PRP treatment & was prescribed new pain killers. The transformation has been excellent. He is happy to put his full weight on his left leg which was, prior to the 2nd treatment, almost permanently raised. 

We are going back to Marlow on Wednesday for another non invasive treatment which is hydrogel. This involves injecting into both his front elbows a fluid which helps form a pad between the bones effectively helping make up for damaged cartilage. Once this is done we are hopeful that the non invasive options will have worked and maybe we can have a spring/summer season of outdoor activity in our garden as normal - fingers crossed. 

Glad to hear he is responding to the treatment and hope he continues to improve. 
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I hope he's ok and things are sorted asap ...Not only for your doggy but also that the stress is removed from you and yours 

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I hope he's ok and things are sorted asap ...Not only for your doggy but also that the stress is removed from you and yours 
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Well its coming up to 2 weeks since Brenin had his 2nd PRP treatment & was prescribed new pain killers. The transformation has been excellent. He is happy to put his full weight on his left leg which was, prior to the 2nd treatment, almost permanently raised. 

We are going back to Marlow on Wednesday for another non invasive treatment which is hydrogel. This involves injecting into both his front elbows a fluid which helps form a pad between the bones effectively helping make up for damaged cartilage. Once this is done we are hopeful that the non invasive options will have worked and maybe we can have a spring/summer season of outdoor activity in our garden as normal - fingers crossed. 
That’s great to hear. Hope the trip on Wednesday goes well and gives the hoped for results.

No time for much in the way of lunch etc., I guess, in view of the distance. Do you use the M4 or M40 to get there?

Thanks EO. We use the M4 to junction 8/9. Food on the run. 7 hour round trip. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Well its coming up to 2 weeks since Brenin had his 2nd PRP treatment & was prescribed new pain killers. The transformation has been excellent. He is happy to put his full weight on his left leg which was, prior to the 2nd treatment, almost permanently raised. 

We are going back to Marlow on Wednesday for another non invasive treatment which is hydrogel. This involves injecting into both his front elbows a fluid which helps form a pad between the bones effectively helping make up for damaged cartilage. Once this is done we are hopeful that the non invasive options will have worked and maybe we can have a spring/summer season of outdoor activity in our garden as normal - fingers crossed. 
That’s great to hear. Hope the trip on Wednesday goes well and gives the hoped for results.

No time for much in the way of lunch etc., I guess, in view of the distance. Do you use the M4 or M40 to get there?
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Well its coming up to 2 weeks since Brenin had his 2nd PRP treatment & was prescribed new pain killers. The transformation has been excellent. He is happy to put his full weight on his left leg which was, prior to the 2nd treatment, almost permanently raised. 

We are going back to Marlow on Wednesday for another non invasive treatment which is hydrogel. This involves injecting into both his front elbows a fluid which helps form a pad between the bones effectively helping make up for damaged cartilage. Once this is done we are hopeful that the non invasive options will have worked and maybe we can have a spring/summer season of outdoor activity in our garden as normal - fingers crossed. 
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Not sure what your in about now 
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Unfortunately it still is a lottery even if the parents are strong and well ....but I suppose you research and that is the only mitigating factors you can use 
go on pets for home mate see the golden receivers for 1000 quid not a single health test in sight. Done for the money these people need to be bound and shot 
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Unfortunately it still is a lottery even if the parents are strong and well ....but I suppose you research and that is the only mitigating factors you can use 
it’s not a lottery mate. Actually you maybe be right since it’s 45 millions to one chance of winning the lotto. 👆
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Unfortunately it still is a lottery even if the parents are strong and well ....but I suppose you research and that is the only mitigating factors you can use 
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Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

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Paying lots of money doesn't guarantee a fit and healthy dog ...I know of a couple who paid 4k for a golden retriever and it was medication by the age of 4....Also in reply to cheap dogs , you don't often see it any more as most people know they can get 700 pound for most breeds , but again the breeding parents are so important 
they paid 4k because they was ripped off hence the not doing your research. The golden was probably bought from up west.. puppy farms galore preying on idiotic people who fall for the lies and all they see is a fluffy puppy 

You make some sweeping generalisations I have to say. For sure many people are conned buying puppies from dodgy sources but if your comment was aimed at me I would ask you this - how do you know? We bought our field springer from a long established breeder. His grandfather & father were field champions - all facts checked by us through the kennel club.

To establish whether any dog has displasia would take an x- ray and add another £600-£700 to the bill. Good luck with trying to pass that cost on to the breeder. 
it wasn’t aimed at anyone. Field Champions or not makes no difference just because I dog done well in it’s sport doesn’t mean it’s health is perfect.. dam and sire should always be health tested. Hips elbows everything. If they’re not at a good standard they shouldn’t be bred from it’s that simple. If it’s done correctly hip dysplasia and elbow just doesn’t happen. There is so many people out there selling inadequate bred puppies it’s disgusting. Even some of the top show people and working dogs people do it. More so with the working trials people. I.e like you said his father was a field champion so obviously his working ability was very good. So they would overlook other issues with his health just to carry on that working ability…

Thanks for the clarification. I cannot disagree with your comments regarding health checks on potential breeding animals. Responsible breeders should make it a huge selling point that an independent vet can supply breeder health certificates. 
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To type the sire or dams name in the kennel club site and it will come up what health tests they have had. With hips you always want to be looking at dogs well below the average score. And remember just because there parents won a few things doesn’t mean they’re good well bred dogs 👏
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Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Paying lots of money doesn't guarantee a fit and healthy dog ...I know of a couple who paid 4k for a golden retriever and it was medication by the age of 4....Also in reply to cheap dogs , you don't often see it any more as most people know they can get 700 pound for most breeds , but again the breeding parents are so important 
they paid 4k because they was ripped off hence the not doing your research. The golden was probably bought from up west.. puppy farms galore preying on idiotic people who fall for the lies and all they see is a fluffy puppy 

You make some sweeping generalisations I have to say. For sure many people are conned buying puppies from dodgy sources but if your comment was aimed at me I would ask you this - how do you know? We bought our field springer from a long established breeder. His grandfather & father were field champions - all facts checked by us through the kennel club.

To establish whether any dog has displasia would take an x- ray and add another £600-£700 to the bill. Good luck with trying to pass that cost on to the breeder. 
it wasn’t aimed at anyone. Field Champions or not makes no difference just because I dog done well in it’s sport doesn’t mean it’s health is perfect.. dam and sire should always be health tested. Hips elbows everything. If they’re not at a good standard they shouldn’t be bred from it’s that simple. If it’s done correctly hip dysplasia and elbow just doesn’t happen. There is so many people out there selling inadequate bred puppies it’s disgusting. Even some of the top show people and working dogs people do it. More so with the working trials people. I.e like you said his father was a field champion so obviously his working ability was very good. So they would overlook other issues with his health just to carry on that working ability…

Thanks for the clarification. I cannot disagree with your comments regarding health checks on potential breeding animals. Responsible breeders should make it a huge selling point that an independent vet can supply breeder health certificates. 
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Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Paying lots of money doesn't guarantee a fit and healthy dog ...I know of a couple who paid 4k for a golden retriever and it was medication by the age of 4....Also in reply to cheap dogs , you don't often see it any more as most people know they can get 700 pound for most breeds , but again the breeding parents are so important 
they paid 4k because they was ripped off hence the not doing your research. The golden was probably bought from up west.. puppy farms galore preying on idiotic people who fall for the lies and all they see is a fluffy puppy 

You make some sweeping generalisations I have to say. For sure many people are conned buying puppies from dodgy sources but if your comment was aimed at me I would ask you this - how do you know? We bought our field springer from a long established breeder. His grandfather & father were field champions - all facts checked by us through the kennel club.

To establish whether any dog has displasia would take an x- ray and add another £600-£700 to the bill. Good luck with trying to pass that cost on to the breeder. 
it wasn’t aimed at anyone. Field Champions or not makes no difference just because I dog done well in it’s sport doesn’t mean it’s health is perfect.. dam and sire should always be health tested. Hips elbows everything. If they’re not at a good standard they shouldn’t be bred from it’s that simple. If it’s done correctly hip dysplasia and elbow just doesn’t happen. There is so many people out there selling inadequate bred puppies it’s disgusting. Even some of the top show people and working dogs people do it. More so with the working trials people. I.e like you said his father was a field champion so obviously his working ability was very good. So they would overlook other issues with his health just to carry on that working ability…
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