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Eastern outpost ![]() Rambler ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 March 2012 Location: South Suffolk Status: Offline Points: 21015 |
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Sometimes it takes a brave top class ref to interpret something like this in line with the spirit of the game and not slavishly in line with a rigid protocol that might be fine for most actions but not for all.
Then, the different interpretation can drive good change.
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aber-fan ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 October 2004 Location: Wales Status: Online Points: 18342 |
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My thoughts exactly. Not intentional, but no attempt to wrap or avoid contact; elbow directly to head; 'victim' fails HIA. A red all day under the current laws. If anyone doesn't like it - get the laws changed.
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Winston ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 September 2018 Location: Llanharan Status: Offline Points: 507 |
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It was barely a penalty for me
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lofty evans ![]() Rambler ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 September 2007 Location: Gorseinon Status: Offline Points: 52799 |
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I still think on my first observation it was a yellow. |
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us" |
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Oracle ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 September 2022 Location: North pole Status: Offline Points: 3959 |
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I would suggest it highlights their bias and problem solving.....all the years I've watched refs I've guessed their next move....honestly and so have you . You are correct , I have felt that sometimes the ref is against us (until SA14 tells me I'm wrong) but that is a different problem ...The point here is that the governing bodies have to back their referees , and stick to their decisions on the pitch , after all there are 4 of them plus back up staff ...if there is an issue with a biased ref then that's a different issue and needs to be addressed by the governing bodies
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Rob o'r Bont ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Dr. Optimist Joined: 03 May 2008 Location: Bont Status: Offline Points: 14292 |
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Our Nige explained this very well on his twitter.
He started off by saying that the first thing you have to do is take the emotion out of your thinking. i.e. If your English your going to say yellow at worst if your Irish your going to say red every day of the week. This was clear with Woodward saying rugby incident and O'Driscoll saying red. You also have to remove '14 v 15 spoils a game' from your thinking also - these thoughts just get in the way of making the right decision. He then went on to say that the ref has to deal with the facts as he sees them in the moment. Peyper felt that Steward could have done more to pull out of the contact. Having made that initial assumption, Nigel then went on to explain the series of facts as described by Peyper that led to the red card decision. Our Nige said that given that thinking process it was difficult to argue against the red card. Nige then went on to say that he could also understand the thinking that many had that Steward could NOT have done more to avoid the contact. And if that's your starting point then the facts lead you to a yellow at worst and maybe even just a penalty. He then went on to say that people would accuse him of siting on the fence but he said No - the reality is that you will always get these decisions that a ref makes in a smouldering cauldron of a game and there will always be debate in the cold light of day. I thought that was an excellent summary.
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roy munster ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 August 2010 Status: Offline Points: 15387 |
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Right decision imo
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Seagultaf ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 27 May 2021 Location: Penclawdd Status: Online Points: 505 |
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I dont think its the gender of the refs thats the problem, its the complex and ever changing interpretation of the Laws of the game. Whats needed is a return to enforcing the Laws as written, rather than enforcing the ever changing interpretations.
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lofty evans ![]() Rambler ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 September 2007 Location: Gorseinon Status: Offline Points: 52799 |
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I would suggest it highlights their bias and problem solving.....all the years I've watched refs I've guessed their next move....honestly and so have you . |
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us" |
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Oracle ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 September 2022 Location: North pole Status: Offline Points: 3959 |
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More female refs , they seem to turn up without any baggage
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gaffer ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 February 2007 Location: Maldwyn's Status: Offline Points: 2904 |
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The real problem is refereeing inconsistency and that they go into games with pre-conceived ideas about the relative merits of teams and that can impact on decision making. Referees have too great an impact on the game as it stands.
FWIW, I don't believe there was any intent from Steward, he had little opportunity to change his position. By the letter of the law it is a red, so some sort of sanction was necessary/inevitable in the current climate where player welfare is, quite rightly, a priority. You can argue whether that should have been red/yellow/pen 'til the cows come home.
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What's going on?
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Oracle ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 September 2022 Location: North pole Status: Offline Points: 3959 |
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I personally think its undermining the integrity/competence of the referee...
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N14 ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 28 November 2017 Status: Offline Points: 1079 |
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The decision to rescind the red card seems a strange one to me. The way I saw the incident was that it was direct contact to the head with little mitigation. Refereeing of head collisions have become another lottery of the game
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Oracle ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 September 2022 Location: North pole Status: Offline Points: 3959 |
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Rediculous, unbelievable response bar EO
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Eastern outpost ![]() Rambler ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 March 2012 Location: South Suffolk Status: Offline Points: 21015 |
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Good! Let some sense come out of this.
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