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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Poor women must be struggling financially, so needs as much help as possible to make ends met.


The audacity and arrogance is quite staggering Legend.


In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Braverman the bitch gets speeding ticket and asks can she claim it on MP expenses....honestly parliament should be dissolved its a disgraceful place.


In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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https://twitter.com/HBFash1007/status/1650382295587512321?t=st-oXjNoCSGZKnYvGmA5Ww&s=19

I hear you guys in the UK had an emergency test that didn't go to well yesterday ...just read this link 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

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Well in response to facts , I enclose a link to a comparison of the 4 home countries when compared like for like ..interesting factual read 


Good read there Oracle. Seems to be from the figures that the overriding message is that the area which did by far the best was the one with no government sitting at all namely Northern Ireland. Now there's an idea - perhaps we would all be better off if governing was left to the civil servants. You read it here first!!!!

The less politicians the better 😁
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Interesting article from Nation. Cymru , regarding the crown estates control over Welsh land and resources and the international laws it is and has been breaking for years ....I also agree labour haven't done a bloody thing to help either

I've copied and pasted as I couldn't find a link ...the article as I said was on nation.cymru

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The Crown Estate: violating Wales’ right to profit from its own natural resources

13 Apr 2023 4 minute read
King’s picture by Victoria Jones / PA Wire.

Hayden Williams

International treaties, which the UK government has signed, confirm Welsh arguments that Crown Estate lands in Wales should be devolved — but the Crown Estate doesn’t seem bothered.

The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) and the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) both state that distinct peoples have the right to self-determination, to determine their own political status, and to freely pursue their own economic development.

Among its many clauses, UNDRIP states that indigenous peoples have the right to the conservation and protection of the environment and the productive capacity of their lands or territories.

The ICCPR was brought into effect in 1976, and the UK government agreed in the same year to abide by it. The UK government also formally agreed to honour the principles of UNDRIP in 2007.

Moreover, according to the UK government’s own Statement of the Permanent Mission of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland at the Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues in 2021:

“The UK Government is fully committed to promoting and protecting human rights for all individuals, including indigenous people, without discrimination on any grounds.”

Though we might think the term ‘indigenous peoples’ only applies to dispossessed minorities in foreign lands (such as Native Americans or Australian Aboriginals), it’s hard to argue the Welsh aren’t indigenous to Wales.

The UN recognises indigenous peoples as “those who inhabited a country or a geographical region at the time when people of different cultures or ethnic origins arrived. The new arrivals later became dominant through conquest, occupation, settlement or other means.”

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Wales has lands under Crown Estate control which the Welsh Government has asked to be devolved. Crown Estate lands in Scotland have already been devolved.

If an energy company wants to put a wind farm off the Welsh coast it must effectively pay rent for that space — not to the Welsh government, but to the Crown Estate.

The Crown Estate intends to auction off spaces for these projects this year, and the profits made from ‘rents’ will go to the King (25%) and to the UK Treasury.

The Crown Estate’s press office was therefore asked:

  • Does the Crown Estate agree the Welsh fit the legal definition of an indigenous people (indigenous to Wales)?
  • Why is the retention of Crown Estate lands in Wales not seen as a violation of Welsh rights in accord with the UNDRIP principles or the ICPR?
  • Wouldn’t it be fair to devolve the lands back to Wales so any profit raised from the energy projects could then be put back into Wales via the devolved Welsh government?

The Crown Estate’s communications manager acknowledged receipt of these questions on March 10, and said they would look into it. A week later, they again said they’d follow it up. A month later, there’s still no response.

Welsh Government

The Welsh government press office was asked the same questions and a spokesperson replied that the Welsh government’s case for the devolution of the Crown Estate was not based on UNDRIP or ICPR, but was instead “currently focused on the benefits this would bring [to Wales, if devolved], including for the generation of renewable energy.”

But obviously, at the present time, the benefits are going to the UK government instead, and they apparently have no intention of listening to such arguments. Why give the profit directly to Wales when the ‘benefits’ can instead be siphoned into the UK Treasury?

Injustice

Perhaps Wales will get some of it back, at Westminster’s discretion, but if the recent budget is anything to go by, Wales will as usual get little more than further injustice.

Section 21 of the Environment (Wales) Act 2016, which deals with the Crown Estate, states that, “If any question arises under this section as to what authority is the appropriate authority in relation to any land, that question is to be referred to the Treasury, whose decision is final.”

So, the UK Treasury benefits (minus the King’s 25% of the annual profits, which amounted to 86.3 million British pounds for the 2021-22 year), and the UK Treasury has the final word in any dispute.

The Welsh Government claims it’s dialoguing with Westminster for the devolution of Crown Lands in Wales. Maybe the argument could be strengthened if the Welsh began seeking international recognition as an indigenous people.

Hayden Williams is a New Zealand based journalist, a member of Plaid Cymru, and a member of the New Zealand Labour Party.

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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Well in response to facts , I enclose a link to a comparison of the 4 home countries when compared like for like ..interesting factual read 


Good read there Oracle. Seems to be from the figures that the overriding message is that the area which did by far the best was the one with no government sitting at all namely Northern Ireland. Now there's an idea - perhaps we would all be better off if governing was left to the civil servants. You read it here first!!!!
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Looking forward to it ..my friend Wink
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Very interesting , good work oracle, Ill have a good read and rant later , diolchThumbs Up
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Well in response to facts , I enclose a link to a comparison of the 4 home countries when compared like for like ..interesting factual read 

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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

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Exactly the same , I very much doubt it 
Youre always making up figures lol Didnt you claim the UK didnt have a trade deal with the EU last week?
The WG followed all the same rules as westminster , old folks with covid were sent back to care homes and it spread like wildfire. We also had the so called super hospitals in wales barely used, not even for testing or quarantines as they were used for far more smartly in china. Even vaughan gethin the welsh health minister broke his own covid rules and went for a picnic during lockdown. Whist that buffoon in number 10 told an endless pack of lies and was rightly forced out ...We are in no position to preach. 
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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Exactly the same , I very much doubt it 
Youre always making up figures lol Didnt you claim the UK didnt have a trade deal with the EU last week?
The WG followed all the same rules as westminster , old folks with covid were sent back to care homes and it spread like wildfire. We also had the so called super hospitals in wales barely used, not even for testing or quarantines as they were used for far more smartly in china. Even vaughan gethin the welsh health minister broke his own covid rules and went for a picnic during lockdown. Whist that buffoon in number 10 told an endless pack of lies and was rightly forced out ...We are in no position to preach. 
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https://www.msn.com/en-GB/news/london/cbi-boss-tony-danker-fired-amid-misconduct-claims/ar-AA19I23c?ocid=sapphireappshare

The Westminster behaviour is becoming infectious 

'Danker' - is that a misprint?
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Exactly the same , I very much doubt it 
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I think he did well with covid , compared to the afterbirth that England had to deal with

Our figures were exactly the same 
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