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    Posted: 31 August 2023 at 1:41pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Read the thread Sal.

It’s pretty clear what’s trying to be excluded.

Welcome back by the way.

Thanks, never went away just don't post as I'm disconnected from the club down here.


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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Read the thread Sal.

It’s pretty clear what’s trying to be excluded.

Welcome back by the way.

Thanks, never went away just don't post as I'm disconnected from the club down here.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote John Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2023 at 8:47pm
And something that concerns the WRU rather than the Scarlets is a general rugby topic..........
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No one has been banned either, someone opted to stop posting.

Edited by Gate12 - 26 August 2023 at 6:31pm
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Read the thread Sal.

It’s pretty clear what’s trying to be excluded.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote salmidach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2023 at 5:35pm
so no political topics or views in Scarlets General and General Rugby. what happens if the issue is politically motivated, say the NAW and it's funding (loans) to the WRU, that's political, do we then get a ban for expressing our views on this?
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My concern is that our board is not packed with 45 year olds either and the generous group cannot go on for ever. I’m all for the environment but we need loyal sponsors like Green for Wales and I wish them well in their journey towards creating a clean energy brand and thank them for their valued support 👍
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lofty evans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 August 2023 at 9:19pm
Sorry ....born working class where I grew up seeing children my age walking to school with no shoes.
Will die working class.

I follow and love my town which is the Scarlets. 

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Originally posted by John John wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I was being flippant there, sorry.

I do think that's why I'm always a little agitated by the actual need for diluting the rugby pages with political commentary. I look at Scarlet Fever for rugby reasons, and Scarlets General specifically. It's a sanctuary for 15 minutes a day.

Specifically, and to the point as it's an ongoing debate.

We are, and have been, trading at a serious operating loss for many seasons, and exist only by the good graces of our benefactors and Board.

Oil 4 Wales (and others) have been a key component in our survival too, and I doff my hat to them for that. They have decided that they will see out existing contracts with the Scarlets and WRU, but after that will cease supporting Welsh rugby (driven by the turmoil and controversy at the WRU over the last year)..

They are going to be hard to replace.

It's also an opportunity of course, and it's perhaps a thought that Crys could consider pitching some sponsorship 'guard rails' to the Board in the future?
In the current climate it would be a 'balls out' decision to decline a significant sponsor investment of course, but it can be done. If indeed many, like Dai, won't buy the current replica shirt because of the logo, then it's an angle to raise.

I'd caveat that by saying that this really is shark infested waters though, and more and more companies are seeing the down side of these types of shirt sponsorships. Anyone can find fault with a brand....and the brand, plus those associated with it, can suffer negative press as a consequence....a sample of that if I may..

If you are a Man City or Newcastle Season ticket holder or supporter, then by proxy you enter the world of Saudi Arabia's human right's record, can get accused of actively supporting the death sentence, and are anti LGBTQ and same sex marriage.

Likewise, if you follow any of the 5 premiership teams that are currently sponsored by betting companies, (many based in the Far East and use young Asian girls in their company profiles), then you stand accused of endorsing betting and all it's associated afflictions, as well as some shady entities that have an opaque funding stream and lack regulatory compliance.
As a sign of what is happening, the Premiership have actually banned front of shirt sponsorship by betting companies from the 26/27 season, but there are more this season than there ever have been.

It's a sign that the traditional prestige brands (airlines, automotive companies etc) are being far more prudent in this space than previously.

You can see what's happening with the likes of Budweiser, Adidas, Disney and others when they state their credentials on a sensitive subject.

The new world order in this space is to lower your profile, reducing sponsorship is front and centre.

In summary, as Reese suggests, finding a sponsor that doesn't court any controversy is challenging ( and by challenging I mean nigh on impossible given current levels of scrutiny).





Exactly so.....

I'm surprised that, as our main sponsor is apparently changing their name and their ethos, that our shirts do not carry their new name Green for Wales.

That's a very thoughtful , well scripted post Will, providing us with the conundrum regarding "association" through sponsorship.
The Saudi thing sickens me, and  therefore, has affected my appetite for premiership football.

Regarding Scarlets however, I speak as a very keen environmentalist who realises that our dependency on fossil fuels has to eliminated as soon as practically possible. 
I am happy that a future Labour government would not issue new north sea off shore oil licences.
ATM however , we are still using oil and will do, until we generate green energy alternatives,  which could take a while. In the above context I am very grateful therefore, to Oil for Wales, to remain our sponsor, until , as Will says, their contract expires. Scarlets are already battling to survive in this challenging financial climate. We have already seen three teams in England, one of which was a European champion, disappear , and I don't want Scarlets to join that number.

In west Wales, we are economically disadvantaged, so we luckily are supported by a band of loyal local sponsors,  die hard supporters and a board , that have dug deep in these pockets.
between us we are surviving, and at present, that s all that matters, so we can continue developing young players for the future .

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There has been an increase in the amount of topics that shift quickly towards blaming/discussing the WRU/Government/English in a very tenuous link to the actual topic, everything is connected to varying levels but it does feel like there's an eagerness to display political and historical knowledge and judgement at every turn which is off putting.
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It wouldn’t surprise me to see an evolutionary change in brand ID including the logo of the business away from plumage.

Having met Colin a couple of times, you couldn’t wish to meet a more fervent supporter of Wales and appreciation of Welsh qualities, having immigrated some time ago. Lovely chap.

Re Owens, every time I see an Owens vehicle whether in East Anglia, France or closer to their HQ, it is clean and being driven courteously. Not many can say the same.

Goods have to be transported and best that be done in the Owens style. iirc, they have their plans to reduce their carbon footprint and it would be highly surprising if this conscientious business didn’t deliver that on time or early, as well.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I was being flippant there, sorry.

I do think that's why I'm always a little agitated by the actual need for diluting the rugby pages with political commentary. I look at Scarlet Fever for rugby reasons, and Scarlets General specifically. It's a sanctuary for 15 minutes a day.

Specifically, and to the point as it's an ongoing debate.

We are, and have been, trading at a serious operating loss for many seasons, and exist only by the good graces of our benefactors and Board.

Oil 4 Wales (and others) have been a key component in our survival too, and I doff my hat to them for that. They have decided that they will see out existing contracts with the Scarlets and WRU, but after that will cease supporting Welsh rugby (driven by the turmoil and controversy at the WRU over the last year)..

They are going to be hard to replace.

It's also an opportunity of course, and it's perhaps a thought that Crys could consider pitching some sponsorship 'guard rails' to the Board in the future?
In the current climate it would be a 'balls out' decision to decline a significant sponsor investment of course, but it can be done. If indeed many, like Dai, won't buy the current replica shirt because of the logo, then it's an angle to raise.

I'd caveat that by saying that this really is shark infested waters though, and more and more companies are seeing the down side of these types of shirt sponsorships. Anyone can find fault with a brand....and the brand, plus those associated with it, can suffer negative press as a consequence....a sample of that if I may..

If you are a Man City or Newcastle Season ticket holder or supporter, then by proxy you enter the world of Saudi Arabia's human right's record, can get accused of actively supporting the death sentence, and are anti LGBTQ and same sex marriage.

Likewise, if you follow any of the 5 premiership teams that are currently sponsored by betting companies, (many based in the Far East and use young Asian girls in their company profiles), then you stand accused of endorsing betting and all it's associated afflictions, as well as some shady entities that have an opaque funding stream and lack regulatory compliance.
As a sign of what is happening, the Premiership have actually banned front of shirt sponsorship by betting companies from the 26/27 season, but there are more this season than there ever have been.

It's a sign that the traditional prestige brands (airlines, automotive companies etc) are being far more prudent in this space than previously.

You can see what's happening with the likes of Budweiser, Adidas, Disney and others when they state their credentials on a sensitive subject.

The new world order in this space is to lower your profile, reducing sponsorship is front and centre.

In summary, as Reese suggests, finding a sponsor that doesn't court any controversy is challenging ( and by challenging I mean nigh on impossible given current levels of scrutiny).





Exactly so.....

I'm surprised that, as our main sponsor is apparently changing their name and their ethos, that our shirts do not carry their new name Green for Wales.
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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Let's have a rugby discussion then, but limiting the comments to one narrow rugby topic will be like telling fellow drinkers in a pub that they can only comment on the price of beer or shut up.

It’s oil for Wales logo if you disagree with it I suggest you protest outside their offices-and the offices of the WRU. It’s a local company supporting a local team, I bet they chose the logo not because as you say it highlights English suppression of the Welsh but because it is an emblem used by the Welsh rugby team. 
Why does everything have to have an agenda to it. 


Ah yes, Oil for Wales is so infatuated by the WRU's brilliant policies and performance that it had to copy their logo. Why didn't I think of that?

You are like a politician,  where did I say that, you really can be quite silly at times. 


As usual, name calling comes when you run out of arguments.

Do you actually read what is written and what you reply. 

How dare you call me a politician and silly at that!!!



You are the only poster that has a political leader as their forum name, I think you'll have to wear that one.
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I was being flippant there, sorry.

I do think that's why I'm always a little agitated by the actual need for diluting the rugby pages with political commentary. I look at Scarlet Fever for rugby reasons, and Scarlets General specifically. It's a sanctuary for 15 minutes a day.

Specifically, and to the point as it's an ongoing debate.

We are, and have been, trading at a serious operating loss for many seasons, and exist only by the good graces of our benefactors and Board.

Oil 4 Wales (and others) have been a key component in our survival too, and I doff my hat to them for that. They have decided that they will see out existing contracts with the Scarlets and WRU, but after that will cease supporting Welsh rugby (driven by the turmoil and controversy at the WRU over the last year)..

They are going to be hard to replace.

It's also an opportunity of course, and it's perhaps a thought that Crys could consider pitching some sponsorship 'guard rails' to the Board in the future?
In the current climate it would be a 'balls out' decision to decline a significant sponsor investment of course, but it can be done. If indeed many, like Dai, won't buy the current replica shirt because of the logo, then it's an angle to raise.

I'd caveat that by saying that this really is shark infested waters though, and more and more companies are seeing the down side of these types of shirt sponsorships. Anyone can find fault with a brand....and the brand, plus those associated with it, can suffer negative press as a consequence....a sample of that if I may..

If you are a Man City or Newcastle Season ticket holder or supporter, then by proxy you enter the world of Saudi Arabia's human right's record, can get accused of actively supporting the death sentence, and are anti LGBTQ and same sex marriage.

Likewise, if you follow any of the 5 premiership teams that are currently sponsored by betting companies, (many based in the Far East and use young Asian girls in their company profiles), then you stand accused of endorsing betting and all it's associated afflictions, as well as some shady entities that have an opaque funding stream and lack regulatory compliance.
As a sign of what is happening, the Premiership have actually banned front of shirt sponsorship by betting companies from the 26/27 season, but there are more this season than there ever have been.

It's a sign that the traditional prestige brands (airlines, automotive companies etc) are being far more prudent in this space than previously.

You can see what's happening with the likes of Budweiser, Adidas, Disney and others when they state their credentials on a sensitive subject.

The new world order in this space is to lower your profile, reducing sponsorship is front and centre.

In summary, as Reese suggests, finding a sponsor that doesn't court any controversy is challenging ( and by challenging I mean nigh on impossible given current levels of scrutiny).






Edited by Wil Chips - 04 August 2023 at 6:18am
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

They don’t do much for the environment.
Tbh that’s a pretty good point. The search for the perfect sponsor continues and probably always will …
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