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Gate12
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Sounds like the roadshow from the WRU was indeed last minute and lacked basic detail like how much the independent chair would be paid, coupled with motions like increasing the maximum term you can see why clubs would be dubious on supporting any of the motions.
For an organisation trying to convince its members it's trying to be more professional sounds like it wasn't handed very professionally, if they really really wanted it to work then Steve Phillips should have been in attendance with Butcher. You could argue that the clubs who voted against are punishing everyone else for the lack of detail from the WRU, but if they passed something without the detail you'd question their thoroughness. Once again a complete mess, underqualified person doing the roadshow underprepared by those who should know better. So who's the next chair then? Choices include another retired teacher, a retired mining manager and a retired council worker, Ieuan Evans or Bucks (which they'll all hate as they're former Scarlets).
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Wil Chips
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This is such a great point RR. I don't think (but not sure) the regions Board's arranged for break out meetings with the clubs in their region in the build up to the vote. Like you I do ponder why not...clubs can vote how they please under the current mandate of course, but not to at least present the case from a regional point of view strikes me as an obvious step missed. At the end of the day the vote was close to getting to the required 75%...a few votes could have swung it. It might be linked to who at a senior level at the region is responsible for that engagement, and where they are based too. At the end of the day, one of, if not the biggest, priority of grass roots rugby is to provide the development pathway for players to have rugby as their primary occupation. The other POV I have is many of us are local club AND regional supporters. I'd be mortified ( and doubt I would have kept my clacker) if I found out my local club had voted for things to stay as they are. Edited by Wil Chips - 02 November 2022 at 8:19am |
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GPR - Rochester
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Another reason why boots on the ground at senior management level is so important. Each region should have held localised seminars explaining their positions with regard to the upcoming vote; local grass roots rugby clubs are not the enemy here - they are being let down by the so called professionals who run the game in Wales.
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Dic Penderyn
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Club official's robust defence of their controversial vote against WRU plan
Worth a read,and should provide some balance.
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RR1972
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He makes some good points the wru clearly made no effort to expain the motion, we have a ceo earning £350k who appears to be doing nothing. Walker is conspicous by his abscence in all of this. Helping run a club is hard work, it requires hours of effort usually unpaid, the vast majority people do it cos they love the sport and their team. These people are not enemies of the game they are it’s very life blood. I’m not suggesting they should be running a multi million pound business but neither should they be slated as some on social media are doing. If people want change minds and voted there is nothing to stop then getting involved at their local club and doing so
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Dic Penderyn
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Walker was a great athlete who became a great wing-unfortunately for us,I still remember Botica showing him the outside in St Helens.He made a few combative statements when he was with Cardiff.Now he's Mr.Bean.
Geraint John,there's another one-like some bloke in a big factory ,you only bump into once in your working life and who has that half-embarassed look on his face because he's got the cushiest number in the world.
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Gate12
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Completely agree, on the one hand people are saying they're not qualified enough to have a say and then the people who should be qualified enough to run the game can't even get the right info to them in a timely manner. To a large extent the clubs aren't trying to hold the game back, they just want to know what they're signing up to because like the regions they regularly get burned by the WRU. The us v them attitude and trying to belittle them doesn't help anyone.
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GPR - Rochester
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It is a good read Dic. There are two sides to every story & it is pretty clear where the blame lies in this debacle. No costed proposal should even be allowed as an addenda to an AGM meeting. Detailed information should have been circulated to every voting member in good time for them to obtain the views of their own committees. We all talk of the amateurs running a professional game but its not the boys who do a sterling job running the likes of Aberavon Quins who are the problem here. Its the total dogs bollocks amateurs running the WRU one of whom is being paid £359K per annum.
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Oracle
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The wru , China, Russia and North Korea all operate on the same level when it comes to sharing information
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Eastern outpost
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Do you think that the clubs would’ve been briefed better on this important matter if your return to this forum had been delayed by a few weeks, Bob?
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In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Gate12
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I've just had a read of the WRU annual report, according to that everything is fine in Welsh rugby.
National team is on a high after a win in SA, womens and disability rugby on the up all round, regions playing in an exciting new competition, club rugby loving the new structures and participation up everywhere. Well done everyone, all is well.
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Fscarlet
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The only way that is true is if clubs haven't got rid of old players on their WRU profile & are still listed as playing members. There have been too many fixtures called off for the statement to actually be correct.
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Wil Chips
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I always wondered where Tariq Aziz ended up. |
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Gate12
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Funnily enough games cancelled isn't a metric that's mentioned anywhere in the 146 page report, don't want anything negative in an all encompassing annual report.
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Gate12
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Think he joined the WRU in about 2017 (kept his head down between 2015 and then).
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Wil Chips
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Fair play to the Chairman, stepping down with organization hitting all it's KPI's.
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