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Does anyone recall a squad containing 3 hookers who are so poor at throwing into a lineout?
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Posted: 22 October 2022 at 9:04am |
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Or 3 such average 9s
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Posted: 22 October 2022 at 9:16am |
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Or 3 such average 9s |
Yes thats true RR. See Faletau is carrying a knock now - Pivac must be twitching. So to sum up we could be going into the NZ game two weeks today with hookers who can't hit a barn door, 9's who can't control a game, no recognised No 8, a 15 who has lost his pace & a 12 who runs around a lot but has very little end product. Lucky really that NZ are so bad recently - so 40+ only.
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Posted: 22 October 2022 at 11:59am |
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We look in really bad shape, adams struggling for fitness to
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Posted: 22 October 2022 at 3:15pm |
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Just because you explain something repeatedly doesn't necessarily make it right. If they are stand out first choice they need picking. Tomas Francis could play in Italy now and they'd still pick him. Reffell was in SA with Wales and not going back to Leicester every Tuesday. He was clearly in exceptional form so Pivac picked him. Seems sensible to me.
Also I understand you don't like the 60 cap rule. I think it is very good. |
I am assuming that your post is meant in response to me or partially at least. My comment was addressing the constant excuses given by Pivac for not selecting players from English teams due to the lack of access to coaching. He states this yet selects LRZ, Tompkins, Tchiunza & Reffell & also hinted yesterday that Dafydd Jenkins would have been selected if fit. Are you suggesting that all 4/5 would be in our starting 23 against NZ.
The point about Reffell is pretty simple if you apply yourself. He had never been in camp so was totally new to the environment yet was deemed by Pivac to be ready for the first test with less than 7 days with the squad ( one of which was a travelling day). Surely that suggests that constant availability for the Welsh coaches is not deemed that necessary.
Sheedy has been in many squads ahead of guys like like Jarrod Evans who, for me, is no worse a player. I suggest that the message that should be sent to players if attendance at the Vale is deemed so necessary is therefore along the lines of if there is a player in Wales as good you will not get selected.
Finally you are correct I am not a fan of the 60 cap rule never have been. |
It isn't just Pivac. Gatland wanted the players playing in Wales also. They obviously have their reasons.
There are always exceptions and I think Reffell was just that. Maybe he was particularly impressive in training. Maybe Basham was carrying in knock. Whatever the reason for picking him in the first test there was no way he was going to be left out for the second. And, as I said, there was no back & forth to Leicester.
I don't think Pivac is particularly keen on Jarrod so where he plays is not that relevant.
Not sure what you are getting at regarding Dafydd Jenkins.
Polite request: if/when you reply could you be a little less pompous.
Thank you.
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Posted: 22 October 2022 at 10:10pm |
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I have a feeling with Van Staden going back to South Africa, Tommy Reffell may stay at Tigers, if Wales chose not to pick him, well that really is a case of cutting your own nose off with a World Cup looming, I'd want my best players on the park.
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Posted: 23 October 2022 at 7:45am |
jimmywilde wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
jimmywilde wrote:
Just because you explain something repeatedly doesn't necessarily make it right. If they are stand out first choice they need picking. Tomas Francis could play in Italy now and they'd still pick him. Reffell was in SA with Wales and not going back to Leicester every Tuesday. He was clearly in exceptional form so Pivac picked him. Seems sensible to me.
Also I understand you don't like the 60 cap rule. I think it is very good. |
I am assuming that your post is meant in response to me or partially at least. My comment was addressing the constant excuses given by Pivac for not selecting players from English teams due to the lack of access to coaching. He states this yet selects LRZ, Tompkins, Tchiunza & Reffell & also hinted yesterday that Dafydd Jenkins would have been selected if fit. Are you suggesting that all 4/5 would be in our starting 23 against NZ.
The point about Reffell is pretty simple if you apply yourself. He had never been in camp so was totally new to the environment yet was deemed by Pivac to be ready for the first test with less than 7 days with the squad ( one of which was a travelling day). Surely that suggests that constant availability for the Welsh coaches is not deemed that necessary.
Sheedy has been in many squads ahead of guys like like Jarrod Evans who, for me, is no worse a player. I suggest that the message that should be sent to players if attendance at the Vale is deemed so necessary is therefore along the lines of if there is a player in Wales as good you will not get selected.
Finally you are correct I am not a fan of the 60 cap rule never have been. |
It isn't just Pivac. Gatland wanted the players playing in Wales also. They obviously have their reasons.
There are always exceptions and I think Reffell was just that. Maybe he was particularly impressive in training. Maybe Basham was carrying in knock. Whatever the reason for picking him in the first test there was no way he was going to be left out for the second. And, as I said, there was no back & forth to Leicester.
I don't think Pivac is particularly keen on Jarrod so where he plays is not that relevant.
Not sure what you are getting at regarding Dafydd Jenkins.
Polite request: if/when you reply could you be a little less pompous.
Thank you. |
May I suggest that if you do not like my tone you don't enter into a debate. Polite request my arse 
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Posted: 25 October 2022 at 11:06am |
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Tipuric named captain for the Autumn internationals, he’s just come back from a really big injury and with the World Cup next year I thought Pivac would of eased him back in. Reffell has been brilliant and they also have Jac Morgan. World class player though and one of my favourites.
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Posted: 25 October 2022 at 11:44am |
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Posted: 25 October 2022 at 1:20pm |
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Tipuric named captain - interesting to see where he plays. Surely not thinking of dropping Reffell????? That just leaves No 6 where I had hoped to see Tschiunza. With Tipuric's footballing abilities perhaps Pivac is going to throw a total curveball & name him at 12.
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Posted: 25 October 2022 at 1:39pm |
GPR - Rochester wrote:
jimmywilde wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
jimmywilde wrote:
Just because you explain something repeatedly doesn't necessarily make it right. If they are stand out first choice they need picking. Tomas Francis could play in Italy now and they'd still pick him. Reffell was in SA with Wales and not going back to Leicester every Tuesday. He was clearly in exceptional form so Pivac picked him. Seems sensible to me.
Also I understand you don't like the 60 cap rule. I think it is very good. |
I am assuming that your post is meant in response to me or partially at least. My comment was addressing the constant excuses given by Pivac for not selecting players from English teams due to the lack of access to coaching. He states this yet selects LRZ, Tompkins, Tchiunza & Reffell & also hinted yesterday that Dafydd Jenkins would have been selected if fit. Are you suggesting that all 4/5 would be in our starting 23 against NZ.
The point about Reffell is pretty simple if you apply yourself. He had never been in camp so was totally new to the environment yet was deemed by Pivac to be ready for the first test with less than 7 days with the squad ( one of which was a travelling day). Surely that suggests that constant availability for the Welsh coaches is not deemed that necessary.
Sheedy has been in many squads ahead of guys like like Jarrod Evans who, for me, is no worse a player. I suggest that the message that should be sent to players if attendance at the Vale is deemed so necessary is therefore along the lines of if there is a player in Wales as good you will not get selected.
Finally you are correct I am not a fan of the 60 cap rule never have been. |
It isn't just Pivac. Gatland wanted the players playing in Wales also. They obviously have their reasons.
There are always exceptions and I think Reffell was just that. Maybe he was particularly impressive in training. Maybe Basham was carrying in knock. Whatever the reason for picking him in the first test there was no way he was going to be left out for the second. And, as I said, there was no back & forth to Leicester.
I don't think Pivac is particularly keen on Jarrod so where he plays is not that relevant.
Not sure what you are getting at regarding Dafydd Jenkins.
Polite request: if/when you reply could you be a little less pompous.
Thank you. |
May I suggest that if you do not like my tone you don't enter into a debate. Polite request my arse |
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Posted: 25 October 2022 at 2:20pm |
GPR - Rochester wrote:
Tipuric named captain - interesting to see where he plays. Surely not thinking of dropping Reffell????? That just leaves No 6 where I had hoped to see Tschiunza. With Tipuric's footballing abilities perhaps Pivac is going to throw a total curveball & name him at 12. |
tips is not a natural or indeed a guranteed starter (not that many are) Odd pick especially with awj around who is ideal in the non playing captaun role .
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Posted: 25 October 2022 at 9:18pm |
GPR - Rochester wrote:
jimmywilde wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
jimmywilde wrote:
Just because you explain something repeatedly doesn't necessarily make it right. If they are stand out first choice they need picking. Tomas Francis could play in Italy now and they'd still pick him. Reffell was in SA with Wales and not going back to Leicester every Tuesday. He was clearly in exceptional form so Pivac picked him. Seems sensible to me.
Also I understand you don't like the 60 cap rule. I think it is very good. |
I am assuming that your post is meant in response to me or partially at least. My comment was addressing the constant excuses given by Pivac for not selecting players from English teams due to the lack of access to coaching. He states this yet selects LRZ, Tompkins, Tchiunza & Reffell & also hinted yesterday that Dafydd Jenkins would have been selected if fit. Are you suggesting that all 4/5 would be in our starting 23 against NZ.
The point about Reffell is pretty simple if you apply yourself. He had never been in camp so was totally new to the environment yet was deemed by Pivac to be ready for the first test with less than 7 days with the squad ( one of which was a travelling day). Surely that suggests that constant availability for the Welsh coaches is not deemed that necessary.
Sheedy has been in many squads ahead of guys like like Jarrod Evans who, for me, is no worse a player. I suggest that the message that should be sent to players if attendance at the Vale is deemed so necessary is therefore along the lines of if there is a player in Wales as good you will not get selected.
Finally you are correct I am not a fan of the 60 cap rule never have been. |
It isn't just Pivac. Gatland wanted the players playing in Wales also. They obviously have their reasons.
There are always exceptions and I think Reffell was just that. Maybe he was particularly impressive in training. Maybe Basham was carrying in knock. Whatever the reason for picking him in the first test there was no way he was going to be left out for the second. And, as I said, there was no back & forth to Leicester.
I don't think Pivac is particularly keen on Jarrod so where he plays is not that relevant.
Not sure what you are getting at regarding Dafydd Jenkins.
Polite request: if/when you reply could you be a little less pompous.
Thank you. |
May I suggest that if you do not like my tone you don't enter into a debate. Polite request my arse |
You are quite right of course, I don't like your tone. And not just to me. I'll enter any debate I choose regardless of your arse.
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Posted: 25 October 2022 at 9:34pm |
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Posted: 25 October 2022 at 9:41pm |
jimmywilde wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
jimmywilde wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
jimmywilde wrote:
Just because you explain something repeatedly doesn't necessarily make it right. If they are stand out first choice they need picking. Tomas Francis could play in Italy now and they'd still pick him. Reffell was in SA with Wales and not going back to Leicester every Tuesday. He was clearly in exceptional form so Pivac picked him. Seems sensible to me.
Also I understand you don't like the 60 cap rule. I think it is very good. |
I am assuming that your post is meant in response to me or partially at least. My comment was addressing the constant excuses given by Pivac for not selecting players from English teams due to the lack of access to coaching. He states this yet selects LRZ, Tompkins, Tchiunza & Reffell & also hinted yesterday that Dafydd Jenkins would have been selected if fit. Are you suggesting that all 4/5 would be in our starting 23 against NZ.
The point about Reffell is pretty simple if you apply yourself. He had never been in camp so was totally new to the environment yet was deemed by Pivac to be ready for the first test with less than 7 days with the squad ( one of which was a travelling day). Surely that suggests that constant availability for the Welsh coaches is not deemed that necessary.
Sheedy has been in many squads ahead of guys like like Jarrod Evans who, for me, is no worse a player. I suggest that the message that should be sent to players if attendance at the Vale is deemed so necessary is therefore along the lines of if there is a player in Wales as good you will not get selected.
Finally you are correct I am not a fan of the 60 cap rule never have been. |
It isn't just Pivac. Gatland wanted the players playing in Wales also. They obviously have their reasons.
There are always exceptions and I think Reffell was just that. Maybe he was particularly impressive in training. Maybe Basham was carrying in knock. Whatever the reason for picking him in the first test there was no way he was going to be left out for the second. And, as I said, there was no back & forth to Leicester.
I don't think Pivac is particularly keen on Jarrod so where he plays is not that relevant.
Not sure what you are getting at regarding Dafydd Jenkins.
Polite request: if/when you reply could you be a little less pompous.
Thank you. |
May I suggest that if you do not like my tone you don't enter into a debate. Polite request my arse |
You are quite right of course, I don't like your tone. And not just to me. I'll enter any debate I choose regardless of your arse.
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Posted: 25 October 2022 at 9:50pm |
Eastern outpost wrote:
jimmywilde wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
jimmywilde wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
jimmywilde wrote:
Just because you explain something repeatedly doesn't necessarily make it right. If they are stand out first choice they need picking. Tomas Francis could play in Italy now and they'd still pick him. Reffell was in SA with Wales and not going back to Leicester every Tuesday. He was clearly in exceptional form so Pivac picked him. Seems sensible to me.
Also I understand you don't like the 60 cap rule. I think it is very good. |
I am assuming that your post is meant in response to me or partially at least. My comment was addressing the constant excuses given by Pivac for not selecting players from English teams due to the lack of access to coaching. He states this yet selects LRZ, Tompkins, Tchiunza & Reffell & also hinted yesterday that Dafydd Jenkins would have been selected if fit. Are you suggesting that all 4/5 would be in our starting 23 against NZ.
The point about Reffell is pretty simple if you apply yourself. He had never been in camp so was totally new to the environment yet was deemed by Pivac to be ready for the first test with less than 7 days with the squad ( one of which was a travelling day). Surely that suggests that constant availability for the Welsh coaches is not deemed that necessary.
Sheedy has been in many squads ahead of guys like like Jarrod Evans who, for me, is no worse a player. I suggest that the message that should be sent to players if attendance at the Vale is deemed so necessary is therefore along the lines of if there is a player in Wales as good you will not get selected.
Finally you are correct I am not a fan of the 60 cap rule never have been. |
It isn't just Pivac. Gatland wanted the players playing in Wales also. They obviously have their reasons.
There are always exceptions and I think Reffell was just that. Maybe he was particularly impressive in training. Maybe Basham was carrying in knock. Whatever the reason for picking him in the first test there was no way he was going to be left out for the second. And, as I said, there was no back & forth to Leicester.
I don't think Pivac is particularly keen on Jarrod so where he plays is not that relevant.
Not sure what you are getting at regarding Dafydd Jenkins.
Polite request: if/when you reply could you be a little less pompous.
Thank you. |
May I suggest that if you do not like my tone you don't enter into a debate. Polite request my arse |
You are quite right of course, I don't like your tone. And not just to me. I'll enter any debate I choose regardless of your arse.
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