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Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Back row selection is baffling - France will overwhelm the breakdown. I really don’t think Pivac has a clue about what he wants or where Wales are going. To expect Seb to cover 4/5 after 60 minutes of being battered at 6 is madness. This seems a panicked, damage limitation selection. Totally incoherent in terms of playing style. He hopes he’s going to get lucky. A fraud.

In that case, Beard and Rowlands will have to go for the full 80 minutes.
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Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Back row selection is baffling - France will overwhelm the breakdown. I really don’t think Pivac has a clue about what he wants or where Wales are going. To expect Seb to cover 4/5 after 60 minutes of being battered at 6 is madness. This seems a panicked, damage limitation selection. Totally incoherent in terms of playing style. He hopes he’s going to get lucky. A fraud.

In that case, Beard and Rowlands will have to go for the full 80 minutes.
Last 20 could be very ugly. 
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Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Back row selection is baffling - France will overwhelm the breakdown. I really don’t think Pivac has a clue about what he wants or where Wales are going. To expect Seb to cover 4/5 after 60 minutes of being battered at 6 is madness. This seems a panicked, damage limitation selection. Totally incoherent in terms of playing style. He hopes he’s going to get lucky. A fraud.
But harsh to call him a fraud he been dealt some real poo cards but his biggest mistake was not insisting on Edward’s to stay.
She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Back row selection is baffling - France will overwhelm the breakdown. I really don’t think Pivac has a clue about what he wants or where Wales are going. To expect Seb to cover 4/5 after 60 minutes of being battered at 6 is madness. This seems a panicked, damage limitation selection. Totally incoherent in terms of playing style. He hopes he’s going to get lucky. A fraud.
But harsh to call him a fraud he been dealt some real poo cards but his biggest mistake was not insisting on Edward’s to stay.

yes dropping edwards for byron hayward was probably his worst ever selectionConfused
Crikey Id have rather paid them both just to stop edwards from joining france, that merger was the ultimate perfect marriage of opposites. The flair, talent and power of france allied to the almost demented intensity and organisation of our boy shaun. 
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Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Back row selection is baffling - France will overwhelm the breakdown. I really don’t think Pivac has a clue about what he wants or where Wales are going. To expect Seb to cover 4/5 after 60 minutes of being battered at 6 is madness. This seems a panicked, damage limitation selection. Totally incoherent in terms of playing style. He hopes he’s going to get lucky. A fraud.

In that case, Beard and Rowlands will have to go for the full 80 minutes.
Last 20 could be very ugly. 

 Very true ,this does not bode well...


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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Back row selection is baffling - France will overwhelm the breakdown. I really don’t think Pivac has a clue about what he wants or where Wales are going. To expect Seb to cover 4/5 after 60 minutes of being battered at 6 is madness. This seems a panicked, damage limitation selection. Totally incoherent in terms of playing style. He hopes he’s going to get lucky. A fraud.
But harsh to call him a fraud he been dealt some real poo cards but his biggest mistake was not insisting on Edward’s to stay.

To be fair to Pivac, I'm sure that Edwards had agreed to join Wigan post 2019 RWC long before Pivac was in charge. I also seem to recall that it was after the Grand Slam in 2019 that Edwards announced that he didn't know what he'd be doing post RWC. By that time Pivac had announcced his coaching team. 

It was then that the WRU offered Edwards a 2 year contact in line with what they had offered the others. Edwards rejected it and walked away.

There was a bit of a spat between Pivac and Edwatrds after that when Piuvac suggested that Edwards went to France for more money.

That's my memory of events ! Feel free to correct me on any points.
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pivac never has and never will pick players on form.
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Think front five will have to carry more and get over the gainline more
Wales will have to play for 80 minutes rather than 40 minutes 
Hearing there are plenty of tickets left for this game 

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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Back row selection is baffling - France will overwhelm the breakdown. I really don’t think Pivac has a clue about what he wants or where Wales are going. To expect Seb to cover 4/5 after 60 minutes of being battered at 6 is madness. This seems a panicked, damage limitation selection. Totally incoherent in terms of playing style. He hopes he’s going to get lucky. A fraud.
But harsh to call him a fraud he been dealt some real poo cards but his biggest mistake was not insisting on Edward’s to stay.

To be fair to Pivac, I'm sure that Edwards had agreed to join Wigan post 2019 RWC long before Pivac was in charge. I also seem to recall that it was after the Grand Slam in 2019 that Edwards announced that he didn't know what he'd be doing post RWC. By that time Pivac had announcced his coaching team. 

It was then that the WRU offered Edwards a 2 year contact in line with what they had offered the others. Edwards rejected it and walked away.

There was a bit of a spat between Pivac and Edwatrds after that when Piuvac suggested that Edwards went to France for more money.

That's my memory of events ! Feel free to correct me on any points.

I remember that fiasco , gosh the wru and pivac made something so simple sound so impossibly complex, they should have gone all out to keep edwards


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Originally posted by Sir Duckling Tuft Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Back row selection is baffling - France will overwhelm the breakdown. I really don’t think Pivac has a clue about what he wants or where Wales are going. To expect Seb to cover 4/5 after 60 minutes of being battered at 6 is madness. This seems a panicked, damage limitation selection. Totally incoherent in terms of playing style. He hopes he’s going to get lucky. A fraud.
But harsh to call him a fraud he been dealt some real poo cards but his biggest mistake was not insisting on Edward’s to stay.

yes dropping edwards for byron hayward was probably his worst ever selectionConfused
Crikey Id have rather paid them both just to stop edwards from joining france, that merger was the ultimate perfect marriage of opposites. The flair, talent and power of france allied to the almost demented intensity and organisation of our boy shaun. 

To be fair, statistically there isn't much difference in the amount of points either team is conceding. Last year France and Wales conceded the same amount of points. this year Wales have conceded 18 more points, putting them in 4th position points against. Whereas France are sitting in 3rd position points against. 

I think a lot of people seem reluctant to factor in that this Wales side really isn't that great. 
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Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

Originally posted by Sir Duckling Tuft Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Back row selection is baffling - France will overwhelm the breakdown. I really don’t think Pivac has a clue about what he wants or where Wales are going. To expect Seb to cover 4/5 after 60 minutes of being battered at 6 is madness. This seems a panicked, damage limitation selection. Totally incoherent in terms of playing style. He hopes he’s going to get lucky. A fraud.
But harsh to call him a fraud he been dealt some real poo cards but his biggest mistake was not insisting on Edward’s to stay.

yes dropping edwards for byron hayward was probably his worst ever selectionConfused
Crikey Id have rather paid them both just to stop edwards from joining france, that merger was the ultimate perfect marriage of opposites. The flair, talent and power of france allied to the almost demented intensity and organisation of our boy shaun. 

To be fair, statistically there isn't much difference in the amount of points either team is conceding. Last year France and Wales conceded the same amount of points. this year Wales have conceded 18 more points, putting them in 4th position points against. Whereas France are sitting in 3rd position points against. 

I think a lot of people seem reluctant to factor in that this Wales side really isn't that great. 

Its not the best welsh squad, there are many reasons... It lacks depth and has been hit my endless injuries too, throw in some odd selections and you have a squad under performing..Plus the lack of top talent flooding through the regions/academies in recent yrs and were stagnating atm ..oh and covid didnt / doesnt help
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Originally posted by Sir Duckling Tuft Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Back row selection is baffling - France will overwhelm the breakdown. I really don’t think Pivac has a clue about what he wants or where Wales are going. To expect Seb to cover 4/5 after 60 minutes of being battered at 6 is madness. This seems a panicked, damage limitation selection. Totally incoherent in terms of playing style. He hopes he’s going to get lucky. A fraud.
But harsh to call him a fraud he been dealt some real poo cards but his biggest mistake was not insisting on Edward’s to stay.

To be fair to Pivac, I'm sure that Edwards had agreed to join Wigan post 2019 RWC long before Pivac was in charge. I also seem to recall that it was after the Grand Slam in 2019 that Edwards announced that he didn't know what he'd be doing post RWC. By that time Pivac had announcced his coaching team. 

It was then that the WRU offered Edwards a 2 year contact in line with what they had offered the others. Edwards rejected it and walked away.

There was a bit of a spat between Pivac and Edwatrds after that when Piuvac suggested that Edwards went to France for more money.

That's my memory of events ! Feel free to correct me on any points.

I remember that fiasco , gosh the wru and pivac made something so simple sound so impossibly complex, they should have gone all out to keep edwards

How do you know he would have stayed?
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Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

I think a lot of people seem reluctant to factor in that this Wales side really isn't that great. 

Underrated point. This squad just isn’t a squad that’s going to win two big games away from home.

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Faletau (back now)

potentially makes it so..?

Yes they’re all 30+ but they’re all world class on their day and fundamentally Pivac used Faletau and Tipuric as key footballing forwards in his game plan. 

By the sounds of it this is why he’s trying out Seb Davis at this level. Having him and Faletau means he can have a Rottweiler like Navidi or Morgan at 7 to get stuck in on the ground 
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How do you know he would have stayed?

He said he would have if they’d offered a 4 year deal. Wanted long term stability for his family.

I don’t actually blame him or the WRU or Pivac. 

Pivac could have easily been a flop and then we would have had to have had 4 years of him or you’d have a weird position where Edwards was more secure in his job than the head coach.

In retrospect, the WRU should’ve gambled on Pivac for 4 years anyway but if Billy Burns hadn’t missed touch and Zander Faegerson cleared out Wyn Jones a bit better there’d be 4x more of us on here saying “sack Pivac he’s a fraud” right now 
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Back row selection is baffling - France will overwhelm the breakdown. I really don’t think Pivac has a clue about what he wants or where Wales are going. To expect Seb to cover 4/5 after 60 minutes of being battered at 6 is madness. This seems a panicked, damage limitation selection. Totally incoherent in terms of playing style. He hopes he’s going to get lucky. A fraud.
But harsh to call him a fraud he been dealt some real poo cards but his biggest mistake was not insisting on Edward’s to stay.

To be fair to Pivac, I'm sure that Edwards had agreed to join Wigan post 2019 RWC long before Pivac was in charge. I also seem to recall that it was after the Grand Slam in 2019 that Edwards announced that he didn't know what he'd be doing post RWC. By that time Pivac had announcced his coaching team. 

It was then that the WRU offered Edwards a 2 year contact in line with what they had offered the others. Edwards rejected it and walked away.

There was a bit of a spat between Pivac and Edwatrds after that when Piuvac suggested that Edwards went to France for more money.

That's my memory of events ! Feel free to correct me on any points.
Correct.Edwards then reneged on Wigan ( he’s never actually held a Head Coach job) which I recall really miffed their Chairman. He was later offered the 2 year job by the WRU which offended his ego. He messed us around and his looming presence undermined the new coaching group. He was just trouble. I am sick of all this conjecture on Edwards. He’s moved on with a big Euro pay wedge and we need to move on from talking about him. It’s pointless. 

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Pivac wAs hopeless in his last year here he has been hopeless in 2 of his 3 years with wales, red cards have saved him. Plus the team is constantly leaked to the media days before it’s officialy named is he briefing the media in return for an easy ride? He does seem to be a bit of a blabber mouth merchant tbh , edwards looks he made the right decision in moving to france tbh

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