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    Posted: 09 August 2023 at 10:01am

15. Liam Williams (Kubota Spears – 84 caps)
14. Josh Adams (Cardiff Rugby / Caerdydd – 49 caps)
13. Joe Roberts (Scarlets – uncapped / heb gap)
12. Nick Tompkins (Saracens / Saraseniaid – 27 caps)
11. Tom Rogers (Scarlets – 2 caps)
10. Owen Williams (Ospreys / Gweilch – 7 caps)
9. Tomos Williams (Cardiff Rugby/ Caerdydd – 46 caps)
1. Gareth Thomas (Ospreys /Gweilch – 21 caps)
2. Dewi Lake (Ospreys / Gweilch – 8 caps): captain / capten
3. Tomas Francis (Provence – 71 caps)
4. Rhys Davies (Ospreys / Gweilch – 2 caps)
5. Adam Beard (Ospreys / Gweilch– 46 caps)
6. Dan Lydiate (Dragons / Dreigiau – 69 caps)
7. Tommy Reffell (Leicester Tigers / Caerlŷr – 9 caps)
8. Taine Plumtree (Scarlets – 1 cap)

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16. Sam Parry (Ospreys / Gweilch – 5 caps)
17. Kemsley Mathias (Scarlets – uncapped / heb gap)
18. Dillon Lewis (Harlequins – 50 caps)
19. Christ Tshiunza (Exeter Chiefs / Caerwysg – 6 caps)
20. Taine Basham (Dragons / Dreigiau – 11 caps)
21. Kieran Hardy (Scarlets – 17 caps)
22. Dan Biggar (Toulon – 108 caps)
23. Keiran Williams (Ospreys / Gweilch – uncapped / heb gap)
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Congratulations to the two Scarlets who will (presumably) win their first caps - and to the others selected.

I hope our 10 and 12 have been doing tackling practice, as I can see England throwing big centres (and others) at that channel. TBH, I'm not especially optimistic of a result with this team at Twickenham, but you never know. One big factor last week was fitness, and surely England can't do anything about that in a week. Stop them getting a big lead by half time, and it'll be game on - again.
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Good selection and I really happy for our Scarlets in list...Honestly I dont like too much Tompkins..
Mathias can play his role in first row rotations..
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Who's captain?
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Who's captain?
Dewi Lake
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Congratulations to the two Scarlets who will (presumably) win their first caps - and to the others selected.

I hope our 10 and 12 have been doing tackling practice, as I can see England throwing big centres (and others) at that channel. TBH, I'm not especially optimistic of a result with this team at Twickenham, but you never know. One big factor last week was fitness, and surely England can't do anything about that in a week. Stop them getting a big lead by half time, and it'll be game on - again.

I agree with Aberfan, it's great to see two young Scarlets, Kempley and  Joe win their first caps. Both have got great futures in the Scarlet  Jersey. 
I spoke to Kemsley at the awards  dinner , end of last season.
Was very impressed. His grounded , mature attitude, of this proud  Pembrokeshire  lad, which is lovely  to see.

Overall however, this team does not look as strong as last week's.
England  will be yard to beat at Twickers, and obviously  will be hurting after last week's defeat.
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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Congratulations to the two Scarlets who will (presumably) win their first caps - and to the others selected.

I hope our 10 and 12 have been doing tackling practice, as I can see England throwing big centres (and others) at that channel. TBH, I'm not especially optimistic of a result with this team at Twickenham, but you never know. One big factor last week was fitness, and surely England can't do anything about that in a week. Stop them getting a big lead by half time, and it'll be game on - again.

I agree with Aberfan, it's great to see two young Scarlets, Kempley and  Joe win their first caps. Both have got great futures in the Scarlet  Jersey. 
I spoke to Kemsley at the awards  dinner , end of last season.
Was very impressed. His grounded , mature attitude, of this proud  Pembrokeshire  lad, which is lovely  to see.

Overall however, this team does not look as strong as last week's.
England  will be yard to beat at Twickers, and obviously  will be hurting after last week's defeat.
Yes Pimp , A win would be fantastic but I agree that it’s performance that Gatland will be looking to observe and picking out the individuals that excel. 
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Worse half of rugby i have ever seen. A near full Eng side and they are offering nothing. Wales have had a few chances but been turned over on the 5m line. Biggar on and i can see us winning this
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Agonising defeat
Lots of plusses but still painful 😖
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The worst lineout display I've ever seen from a pro rugby team. But they are very fit and very indisciplined.
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Adam Beard is poo
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Lots of positives in the youngsters and newbies but the old stallwards offered nothing to improve on last week. Lake throwing was atrocious, beard did nothing except help England, reffell was quiet, tompkins is a bag uncertinty with ball in hand.

Starting props went well, I like Rhys Davies, roberts did well so did rogers.

Plumtree was inconsistent and hope hes ok. Mathias had a bit of a baptism, but we have to remember he had Lewis on the other side(shocking scrummager) Gatland replaced Davies with Tshunzia who is 2 stone lighter plus at one point the pack was down to 7. Not a level playing field to compare with the other 3 LH's.
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Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Adam Beard is poo

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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

The worst lineout display I've ever seen from a pro rugby team. But they are very fit and very indisciplined.
I agree. I’ve seen countless bad lineout performances before, but I can’t ever remember seeing one that bad. We lost so many where the intended catcher either wasn’t off the ground, or at full stretch was a full metre away from the ball as it went over his head. Absolutely shambolic. 

The backs should be angry as they were given little possession to press their claims for a World Cup place. 
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Javan is a better prop than Lewis.
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

The worst lineout display I've ever seen from a pro rugby team. But they are very fit and very indisciplined.
I agree. I’ve seen countless bad lineout performances before, but I can’t ever remember seeing one that bad. We lost so many where the intended catcher either wasn’t off the ground, or at full stretch was a full metre away from the ball as it went over his head. Absolutely shambolic. 

The backs should be angry as they were given little possession to press their claims for a World Cup place. 

That lineout display was an absolute disgrace - I've only ever seen one worse, when Eales in his pomp took the Wales lineout to the cleaners for Australia - he allowed us one (I think). If we had a halfway decent lineout in that game, we'd have won it easily even with that team... Beard 'calls the lineouts' apparently - I hope to never again see him in a Wales shirt. At one in the second half, he was so panicked and indecisive that the ref gave a free kick for delay. 

Lewis once again showed why he is not a test prop; it was a tough ask to put Mathias on in that game for his first cap... he deserves better chances. 

Joe Roberts made that try for Williams by taking the gap and had a good game. Tom Rogers did OK but had few chances. Plumtree showed inexperience and made quite a few errors, plus some good things. Cawdor had no time to influence events either way.

One thing is clear form the two games - the lineout last week worked and this weeks' didn't. Not sure who was calling last week, but Dee's throwing in is presumably more accurate than this week's hookers.
The starting props did OK in the scrums; didn't see much of Davies, Reffell, Tshiunza or Lydiate except that the tacking was very good for the most part. In the backs, Sanjay had a good one.

A real missed opportunity - from 17-9 and with extra players, we should have won that comfortably.
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