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England were rancid.
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I only saw the “Highlights” on S4C, very glad that I didn’t see the whole game. 
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On the plus side Farrell is gone for a while, always was and is a dirty so and so ....
Unless Borthwick seeks Irish advise and does a sextoy...
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Did not see the game LIVE, but my plan to watch it on "catch up", has gone through the window,
reading a plethora of comments about the standards.

Prior to this game, I really thought our best team, by some distance, was last week, with the exception of maybe Sanjay and  Adams, and looks as if I was right .
Gatland has got a bit of thinking to do now , compounded by injury worries.

Regarding Farrell, I obviously cannot comment on todays incident, but he clearly seems to have a technical tackling issue going on recent history, so today is no surprise.
This is not the 70's , when people went out to deliberately hurt someone( I have have seen some appalling acts of thuggery in my time), but nevertheless professional players  have to be responsible for their actions, and Farrell has been a time tomb ticking for ages.
England are better off without him anyway
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With respect to Farrell, he went in shoulder first to the head (of Basham, I think)... it was so obviously a red, but the ref was so weak and influenced by the crowd that he initially only gave a yellow plys putting Farrell 'on report'. It was upgraded to red by the TMO foul play official. Must have taken all of 5 seconds to make the decision. 

I didn't say anything about the ref before, as we should have won that game regardless and have only ourselves to blame - but he did favour England with a number of iffy decisions. On one occasion, he said that Wales had a pen advantage but almost immediately blew up for a Wales infringement and gave a penalty - to England! The S4C commentators were understandably bemused. But we should have won comfortably anyway.
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Frustrated at losing a game that England put on a plate for the taking.

We may have lost Lake and another Scarlets man in Plumtree to boot.

On the plus side Gareth Thomas, Joe Roberts and Sanjay stood out.

I’m not sure Josh Adam’s is going to make the cut, and Kemsley, Kieron Williams, Tom Rogers likewise.

We need to extract Beard’s significant skeleton from the rest of him and build a quality new version of a second row.
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It was a relief to watch the France v Scotland game after this! 
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Went to the game yesterday afterwards much discussion in the Sun  pub in Richmond on what needed to be done to  speed the game up and make it more appealing . Then after watching France v Scotland the consensus was things were fine as they are and that the main problem is attitude and approach and not the rules.
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Farrell hearing on Tuesday 

The guy is a liability on the field having a go at Dan Biggar as well 
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Frustrated at losing a game that England put on a plate for the taking.

We may have lost Lake and another Scarlets man in Plumtree to boot.

On the plus side Gareth Thomas, Joe Roberts and Sanjay stood out.

I’m not sure Josh Adam’s is going to make the cut, and Kemsley, Kieron Williams, Tom Rogers likewise.

We need to extract Beard’s significant skeleton from the rest of him and build a quality new version of a second row.

I think you may have a point with Adams - he is not the player he was a few seasons ago. With 14 backs assuming 3 x 9's & 3 x 10'a that just leaves places for 8. Covering more than one position may be the decider - Anscombe covers 15 but will not play any part in warm ups which isn't ideal. Of the 8no LRZ, North & Liam are on the plane with Grady & Llewelyn in with a good shout. Grady covers wing which will help. Joe did himself no harm yesterday for sure and Johnny Williams will be busting a gut to get his chance next weekend. Cuthbert needs to play against South Africa & if he goes well either he or Rio could edge Adams out. 
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Farrell hearing on Tuesday 

The guy is a liability on the field having a go at Dan Biggar as well 

I think Biggar started that one. It will be a memorable month up to the world cup when both Farrell and Sexton are suspended but I expect Farrell to be available for the first WC game.

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Having watched the 2 games against England I would say that we are in a better position than England going into the World Cup.
Both teams are poor in comparison to many others, we are both very slow in moving the ball into the wider channels and do not appear capable of playing what’s in front of us.
Wales have scored 4 tries against them, whilst they only managed one try in the 2 games and that came from a very familiar source (for England), a catch and drive where the backs join in.
Joe Roberts offered something different in midfield, he has pace to beat his man on the outside, something that GN and MG didn’t have (in the first match), that keeps defenders honest and creates space for the back 3 to run into.
It’s baffling how Chintza appears to struggle to turn his unbelievable club form into international competition and how the h..l Adam Beard is anywhere near the squad (let alone made captain) is beyond me.
With regards to Farrell, he deserves what he gets, he’s had form all his career for poor tackle technique (and I’m being generous with that description).  He’s got away with it too many times (yellow cards not being upgraded to red) and it was nice to see our friend Brian MacNiece taking a firmer decision on Saturday - although that wasn’t the worst tackle I’ve seen him make.
I don’t believe that he will get the ban his tackle deserves - he will get a nominal ban (just like Sexton) due to them being captains of their country and being integral to their respective teams.
He has form for dangerous tackles but as he’s got away with most of them (in the past) he will have a reduced sentence just for saying sorry, and going on a tackling course (again).
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

The worst lineout display I've ever seen from a pro rugby team. But they are very fit and very indisciplined.

I dont think Wales can claim to be fit after fading as badly as they did in the last 20 mins against an English team with was down to 12 for parts but still looked fitter and more dynamic than Wales.
It makes you wonder what the coaches have been doing with the players for the past months, because the fitness is not great and the  lineout organisation shambolic.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

With respect to Farrell, he went in shoulder first to the head (of Basham, I think)... it was so obviously a red, but the ref was so weak and influenced by the crowd that he initially only gave a yellow plys putting Farrell 'on report'. It was upgraded to red by the TMO foul play official. Must have taken all of 5 seconds to make the decision. 

I didn't say anything about the ref before, as we should have won that game regardless and have only ourselves to blame - but he did favour England with a number of iffy decisions. On one occasion, he said that Wales had a pen advantage but almost immediately blew up for a Wales infringement and gave a penalty - to England! The S4C commentators were understandably bemused. But we should have won comfortably anyway.
I didn't watch it but you do know that they're trailing  the "bunker" system?
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Originally posted by bydder bydder wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

With respect to Farrell, he went in shoulder first to the head (of Basham, I think)... it was so obviously a red, but the ref was so weak and influenced by the crowd that he initially only gave a yellow plys putting Farrell 'on report'. It was upgraded to red by the TMO foul play official. Must have taken all of 5 seconds to make the decision. 

I didn't say anything about the ref before, as we should have won that game regardless and have only ourselves to blame - but he did favour England with a number of iffy decisions. On one occasion, he said that Wales had a pen advantage but almost immediately blew up for a Wales infringement and gave a penalty - to England! The S4C commentators were understandably bemused. But we should have won comfortably anyway.
I didn't watch it but you do know that they're trailing  the "bunker" system?
Still, when push comes to shove, you need a referee (and other officials) who are courageous and accurate under-pressure. A shoulder to the head with no mitigation equals a red card. Send that signal. 

Be that objective, correct, official rather than one that is always one-down in their punishments of serious stuff and you’ll do well.
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Originally posted by bydder bydder wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

With respect to Farrell, he went in shoulder first to the head (of Basham, I think)... it was so obviously a red, but the ref was so weak and influenced by the crowd that he initially only gave a yellow plys putting Farrell 'on report'. It was upgraded to red by the TMO foul play official. Must have taken all of 5 seconds to make the decision. 

I didn't say anything about the ref before, as we should have won that game regardless and have only ourselves to blame - but he did favour England with a number of iffy decisions. On one occasion, he said that Wales had a pen advantage but almost immediately blew up for a Wales infringement and gave a penalty - to England! The S4C commentators were understandably bemused. But we should have won comfortably anyway.
I didn't watch it but you do know that they're trailing  the "bunker" system?
  

Yse, i did know that. Perhaps you don't understand how it is supposed to work? Let me explain:

the first stage is as follows:

  • Clear and obvious red cards for foul play will receive a red card resulting in the player being permanently being removed from the game and unable to be replaced
IMHO, only a blind bat could possibly have thought that what Farrel did was not 'clear foul play'. Only if that first consideration does not apply do we move on to the second and third stages as follows:

  • For any incident where a red card is not initially clear and obvious, a yellow card will be issued and dedicated foul play reviewers in a central bunker will review the incident using all available technology and footage
  • Once 10 minutes has elapsed, the yellow card is either upheld and the player returns to the action or it is upgraded and the player permanently leaves the field, unable to be replaced
Let me use football parlance here, for once: "The ref bottled it!"
“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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