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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Joe Roberts point is well made GPR.

I’m guessing his knee counted against him - his time will come, he’s our first choice 13 ( Scarlets), and no doubt will be so for Wales in due course.

I'm no expert on centre play, but did think people were a bit too quick to write off Grady on the basis of one poor performance... surely, he will improve with experience and has significant physical attributes - but I do agree that Joe is further along the development route as far as skill is concerned, and maybe should have had the nod instead.

Also, as GPR says, we of a Scarlet tendency did think Jonny W should have started in front of Tompkins the other day, but he didn't look at his best in this game so the coaches called that one correctly. If our centres are properly fit, though, they should make for a powerful combination along with those left in Llanelli...!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grammar School Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 September 2023 at 4:08pm
Grady seems to struggle with centre skills like drawing a man and passing, and relies on his obvious physical skills.  Lots of work to be done there, to unlock his obvious potential.  

The midfield combination could not work with a slow service at 9, no off ball inside carriers and Anscombe with no pace at 10.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Why Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 September 2023 at 4:20pm
I wasn’t surprised by game yesterday when have Wales put away so called 2nd tier nations we always struggle for some reason.
Grady seemed like rabbit headlights every time he gets ball not a natural ball player by the looks of it. Joe streets ahead a rolls Royce compared to a reliant Robin.
Tomos Williams should be sent home he an embarrassment so far up himself. I had given him praise for a couple of half decent performances but yesterday he was not even URC  standard.
Why is Lydiate there 4 tackles and hardly any carries he has been a great player for Wales now sad to see him struggling. If Plumtree not better at this current time then we’ve signed a big dud.
Domaschoski getting mullered at scrum time by part time props Gatland should have taken Wyn.
I also thought Dillon Lewis had turned corner but alas no he is just useless how the hell has that man had 50 caps. 
JBR did himself no favours and HP shouldn’t be there he now too slow. Gatland should have take Conbeer or Giles and played LRZ or Adams at 15 in second side. How about he take a quality 15 in Johnny Mac who can also cover wing. 

We can get to Semis with first team but if we get a few injuries we are knackered.

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Well here we go Aussies v Fiji !
Not a fan of the Aussies and would love to sees Fiji beating them, but not at the expense of Wales.
It's still, possible that these two teams  could qualify from the pool,  depending  on other results.
Fiji's discipline,  just like Tonga is an issue, and they are 3 points down allready. Got to keep those tackles lower
If Fiji lose then its curtains for them probably.
No Skelton fir the Aussies, so they will miss his presence.
What last week will have taken out them, particularly  later in the game is debatable  however.
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FIJI  far the better side and should be further  ahead
Line out has cost them a few times , and critically,  5 metres from aussie line.
I just have a gut feeling  that a Fiji lack of discipline or mistakes,  let's the aussies in.
They have such talent , artistry & physicality  do the Fiijans, but you always feel , with the new rules there a car crash waiting to happen .
I real hope I am wrong. 
Would love to send Eddie Jones packing( & packing his bags to go home)
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Plenty of time left but Fiji looking in a good position right now. I’m torn, as a rugby fan I’d love to see a Fiji win. But the Welshman in me is hoping Aus can pull it back! 
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A Fiji win with no bonus points for either team not the end of the world. Fiji looking the better of two  average teams. 
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Congratulations Fiji thoroughly deserved win 
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Remarkable  win for Fiji , such passion and commitment, thoroughly deserved.  How KENTEXILE, can describe them as an average side defies  belief. ..totally!
So happy  for them. Many of tye team are in their final years of playing career, so last chance saloon.
John Barclay just talking about the Aussies being hammered at the breakdown.Eighteen pens given by aussies, several  at breakdown.
Gatland would have noted that
Despite yesterday's  fiasco, Wales could still beat this Australian  side,
then hopefully,  it will get Wales and Fiji in the QF.LOL

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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Can't really add much to what has already been said. Gaffer was spot on and singled out 9/10/12 & 13 as being pretty ropey. A lot has been said from within the Welsh camp about Mason Grady. I have to admit I see nothing - just being 6 foot 5 inches and 17 stone 4 lbs does not make you a good rugby player. Gatland has made an awful mistake in leaving Joe Roberts behind. He is light years ahead of Grady as a centre.

Joe understands the game, can pick a line, has the pace to go outside his opponent & can pass. Grady can do none of the above. The only players from that starting 15 I would consider for the 23 next week are Daf, Taulupe Jac & Dyer who impresses me with how combative he is in the air which in the modern game is pretty important.

My 23 for Australia would be -

15. Liam 14. LRZ 13. North 12. Tompkins 11.Adams 10. Biggar 9. Cawdor
1. Thomas 2. Ryan 3. Francis 4. Rowlands 5. Jenkins 6. Wainwright 7. Jac 8. Taulupe

16. Dee 17. Domochowski 18. Thomas 19. Beard 20.  Basham 21. Tomos 22. Costelow 23. Dyer

Another player, like Grady, who is living off a false reputation is Lake. Again he is always talked of as a real unit tough as teak but rugby is surely more than that. You have to be able to think and do basic skills which he seems totally incapable of. 

I am looking forward to the Australia Fiji game today. I have to say even with that team above I do not fancy our chances against the Aussies. They have some serious carrying power available which we can only dream of. Skelton, if fit, against Beard should be declared a no contest now. 

For me - changes in bold. Need to be pragmatic and no brainfarts for as long as possible (big ask I Know). Oz are poor we should be confident. It's all in the head.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 September 2023 at 7:37pm
Fiji deserved winners - they played much better. Aussies ran out of ideas... what was that aimless kicking in the last 5 minutes?

Aussies should never have had a LBP - their first 'try' followed a tap-back from a tacker who was on the ground - Adams got a YC for that yesterday. Plus, the 50:22 kick bounced off the hoardings which should have made a quick throw-in a no-no, unless that law's been changed. 
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Fiji deserved winners - they played much better. Aussies ran out of ideas... what was that aimless kicking in the last 5 minutes?

Aussies should never have had a LBP - their first 'try' followed a tap-back from a tacker who was on the ground - Adams got a YC for that yesterday. Plus, the 50:22 kick bounced off the hoardings which should have made a quick throw-in a no-no, unless that law's been changed. 

Never heard that one before, I thought it just couldn’t touch anyone on the sidelines - ie spectator, coach, ball boy, assistant referee etc.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lofty evans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 September 2023 at 9:43pm
I have stated Wales were lucky to have a ref who decided who was going to win before the first whistle. 
Fiji put away Australia no sweat.


In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

I wasn’t surprised by game yesterday when have Wales put away so called 2nd tier nations we always struggle for some reason.
Grady seemed like rabbit headlights every time he gets ball not a natural ball player by the looks of it. Joe streets ahead a rolls Royce compared to a reliant Robin.
Tomos Williams should be sent home he an embarrassment so far up himself. I had given him praise for a couple of half decent performances but yesterday he was not even URC  standard.
Why is Lydiate there 4 tackles and hardly any carries he has been a great player for Wales now sad to see him struggling. If Plumtree not better at this current time then we’ve signed a big dud.
Domaschoski getting mullered at scrum time by part time props Gatland should have taken Wyn.
I also thought Dillon Lewis had turned corner but alas no he is just useless how the hell has that man had 50 caps. 
JBR did himself no favours and HP shouldn’t be there he now too slow. Gatland should have take Conbeer or Giles and played LRZ or Adams at 15 in second side. How about he take a quality 15 in Johnny Mac who can also cover wing. 

We can get to Semis with first team but if we get a few injuries we are knackered.


Good  post WHY, sums things up neatly and succinctly .
Regarding  centres, it's a shame that Joe Roberts had knee issues, which could have coloured Gatland's  thinking. Warren  gas a thing about physical size,  which of course is important , but not at the expense of pace, elusiveness and vision.
If Joe had continued  to contribute  at the WC, which would have been great, but not at the expense of a long term injury. 
I do'nt want to write Grady off  he is a young man ,with a lot to learn, and hopefully  will come good.
Gatland has made some poor decisions namely  two scrum halves, madness.With Tomos Williams performing  so appallingly, we have to pray that Cawdor remains fit. Anscombe looked like a man who has not played for ages( which he has'nt),so apart from other failings we has no leadership. This is no direct criticism of Jac Morgan, who has been one of the stand out performers, but its asking a hell of a lot of an emerging  player to lead a side which is spluttering. 
Biggar returning to the fray is a key component, not just for his control, but for the demands he makes of himself, and of others.
That passion can be divisive  but in raw heat of tat WC an essential  requirement,  as well as a cool head. 

Moving on to the team for the  Aussies, the team GPR  Rochester  selected  is probably  near the mark.
For me I would start with  the lads who started against Fiji ( sorry  about Beard WHY) LOL.
I reckon seeing the Aussies today,  without Skelton,  we can beat them definitely. Unfortunately,  as  WHY indicates , if have injuries we are going to struggle  as the Portugal  game proved.
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Australia are there for the taking with confirmation that Tipou & Skelton will miss the game. That reduces their overall scrum by 20-30 kgs, takes away two good carriers and means that Wales will be scrummaging against their 3rd/4th tight heads bearing in mind that Alaalatoa didn't make the squad due to injury. 

Barclay continues to make the point that sides who give away 18 penalties to 8 rarely come out on top. That, of course, is Wales' achilles heel also. Australia were hammered at the breakdown which makes the omission of Hooper even more surprising. 

Wales will play 10 man rugby, may well play Morgan & Reffell together & pray that they can keep Cawdor on the pitch for 65/70 minutes. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Australia are there for the taking with confirmation that Tipou & Skelton will miss the game. That reduces their overall scrum by 20-30 kgs, takes away two good carriers and means that Wales will be scrummaging against their 3rd/4th tight heads bearing in mind that Alaalatoa didn't make the squad due to injury. 

Barclay continues to make the point that sides who give away 18 penalties to 8 rarely come out on top. That, of course, is Wales' achilles heel also. Australia were hammered at the breakdown which makes the omission of Hooper even more surprising. 

Wales will play 10 man rugby, may well play Morgan & Reffell together & pray that they can keep Cawdor on the pitch for 65/70 minutes. 

We can certainly beat this Australia, but I don't like to count any chickens - there won't be much in it.

What surprised me about the Aussies was the lack of leadership in the absence of Skelton - I'm pretty sure Slipper has been captain in the past, not sure who it was yesterday but it didn't show! Morgan (not captain on Saturday) will show more, as will Biggar. Jac had done a full morning of weights and physical work, BTW, since Reffell was supposed to play... and still lasted 80 minutes!


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