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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by gnasher1975 gnasher1975 wrote:

I get it head on and you jump over him, fair enough as there is a chance of kicking someone in the face, but that is far from what happened in the instance, mor what Nigel mentioned
you can’t jump into a tacklr harsh but right call

Looked like he jumped out of a tackle ....a player can't skip out of an ankle tap ? 😮
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by gnasher1975 gnasher1975 wrote:

I get it head on and you jump over him, fair enough as there is a chance of kicking someone in the face, but that is far from what happened in the instance, mor what Nigel mentioned
you can’t jump into a tacklr harsh but right call

Looked like he jumped out of a tackle ....a player can't skip out of an ankle tap ? 😮
not if he is front on like that
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by gnasher1975 gnasher1975 wrote:

I get it head on and you jump over him, fair enough as there is a chance of kicking someone in the face, but that is far from what happened in the instance, mor what Nigel mentioned
you can’t jump into a tacklr harsh but right call


Looked like he jumped out of a tackle ....a player can't skip out of an ankle tap ? 😮
not if he is front on like that


But that is the point Nigel made, the tackle has come from the side it is not a man standing head on and the jump was made sideways out of the tackle not into it.
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Game was over as a contest after 30 minutes. Our back 3 had a difficult day defensively & very poor tackling from Anscombe allowed scores. The first 3 tries were all from missed one on one tackles. Thats just not good enough. Also we were beaten up at the breakdown so the idea of two 7's did not work. 

Jac is a monster at defending but he is average at the breakdown so we need to find another way. Faletau was our MOM for me - class is permanent. What was Ben Thomas thinking - just had a man binned and presented with the chance to get it 50 metres downfield & tries instead a kick-pass, Murray tried to salvage the situation & Thomas made a horlicks of it - very poor stuff. 

Big test for Sherratt now as his selection for England will show if he is a coach who is swayed by actual performance. My team for England would be if all fit -

15. Murray 14. Rogers 13. Llewelyn 12. Eddie 11. Adams 10. Jarrod 9. Rhodri
1. Smith 2. Lake 3. Assiratti 4. Jenkins 5. Teddy Williams 6. Wainwright 7. Morgan 8. Faletau

16. Dee 17. Thomas 18. Thomas 19. Rowlands 20. Plumtree 21. Bevan 22. Edwards 23. Roberts

I suspect both Adams & Rogers may be missing - if so it may be Hathaway & Mee starting. 

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Anscombe was sub optimal. I get why you play him as he has an old head, but (with the exception of the chip for Murray's try) he executed poorly yesterday. Kicks to the corner were always way short. Actually Blair can give it a hoof and would have ben far better.

Tomos getting caught ball watching and Anscombe showing Kinghorn the outside and being gassed were poor from an experience point of view. Mee v VDM isn't a fair match up, but neither are many when it comes to stopping the guy. He will have learnt a lot.

The truth is the Scottish back line are a well drilled unit, with Russell in charge.
When he (and Anscombe)went off it was a different game though. Jarrod got closer to Tomos (I'm being polite b saying that he did that to take it to the line quicker, Tomas was throwing out pies all afternoon).

I think Max Llew looks closer to the right guy at 13 since we had Foxy. not an easy gig.

Start Jarrod, Teddy and Wainwright next up.
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Originally posted by gnasher1975 gnasher1975 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by gnasher1975 gnasher1975 wrote:

I get it head on and you jump over him, fair enough as there is a chance of kicking someone in the face, but that is far from what happened in the instance, mor what Nigel mentioned
you can’t jump into a tacklr harsh but right call


Looked like he jumped out of a tackle ....a player can't skip out of an ankle tap ? 😮
not if he is front on like that


But that is the point Nigel made, the tackle has come from the side it is not a man standing head on and the jump was made sideways out of the tackle not into it.
Looking at rule9.11 which covers  dangerous play
Players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others including leading with the elbow or forearm, or jumping into, or over, a tackler. Sanction: Penalty.
World rugby gave some guidance that whilst jumping or diving to score a try will be ok jumping a tackle will not be in other circumstances.However as the intent is to stop reckless or dangerous play and there was nothing reckless or dangerous about what Murray did it was a harsh call.

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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Game was over as a contest after 30 minutes. Our back 3 had a difficult day defensively & very poor tackling from Anscombe allowed scores. The first 3 tries were all from missed one on one tackles. Thats just not good enough. Also we were beaten up at the breakdown so the idea of two 7's did not work. 

Jac is a monster at defending but he is average at the breakdown so we need to find another way. Faletau was our MOM for me - class is permanent. What was Ben Thomas thinking - just had a man binned and presented with the chance to get it 50 metres downfield & tries instead a kick-pass, Murray tried to salvage the situation & Thomas made a horlicks of it - very poor stuff. 

Big test for Sherratt now as his selection for England will show if he is a coach who is swayed by actual performance. My team for England would be if all fit -

15. Murray 14. Rogers 13. Llewelyn 12. Eddie 11. Adams 10. Jarrod 9. Rhodri
1. Smith 2. Lake 3. Assiratti 4. Jenkins 5. Teddy Williams 6. Wainwright 7. Morgan 8. Faletau

16. Dee 17. Thomas 18. Thomas 19. Rowlands 20. Plumtree 21. Bevan 22. Edwards 23. Roberts

I suspect both Adams & Rogers may be missing - if so it may be Hathaway & Mee starting. 

He will never drop Tomos Williams because he knows him and all the English press who have fawned over him playing touch rugby all season. (Sorry couldn’t resist)

I would start Mee at full back 
Llewelyn on wing with Adams
Joe and Eddie centres 
Jarrod 10 all game 
Cawdor plead for one game he can play
Faletau 
Morgan
Wainwright
Jenkins
Rowlands 
Henry Thomas
Lake 
Gareth Thomas 

Reps 
WHJ
Dee
Smith
Williams 
Thomas 
Rhodri
Blair Murray (covers whole backline)
Harsh on Reffell who I really rate and hope Cubby can talk him round to signing for us but I think we need big forwards for this one. 





Edited by Why - 09 March 2025 at 9:33am
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My team for England
15. Murray
14. Adams
13. Llewelyn
12. Thomas
11. Mee
10. Evans 
9. Bevan
8. Faletau 
7. Morgan
6. Wainwright 
5. T Thomas 
4. Jenkins
3. H Thomas
2. Lake
1. G Thomas

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ap sior Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 March 2025 at 10:31am
Originally posted by Trostre Parc Boy Trostre Parc Boy wrote:

My team for England
15. Murray
14. Adams
13. Llewelyn
12. Thomas
11. Mee
10. Evans 
9. Bevan
8. Faletau 
7. Morgan
6. Wainwright 
5. T Thomas 
4. Jenkins
3. H Thomas
2. Lake
1. G Thomas


Did you mean Teddy Williams?
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Fixed!

My team for England
15. Murray
14. Adams
13. Llewelyn
12. Thomas
11. Mee
10. Evans 
9. Bevan
8. Faletau 
7. Morgan
6. Wainwright 
5. T Williams
4. Jenkins
3. H Thomas
2. Lake
1. G Thomas
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VDM really gave Mee a lesson yesterday. Our lack of depth at wing is troubling.
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Originally posted by skyblue skyblue wrote:

VDM really gave Mee a lesson yesterday. Our lack of depth at wing is troubling.

VDM has 46 Scottish, 3 Lions caps and is 29 years old.

Ellis, 2 Welsh caps in a side that's struggling, and is 21 years old. He's had no Academy input whilst developing.

Our defence out wide first half was shocking. In such circumstances it is usually the winger that is exposed with 3:1/2:1

We must give Ellis a break and plenty of encouragement. Yet again he made some yards with ball in hand.


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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Game was over as a contest after 30 minutes. Our back 3 had a difficult day defensively & very poor tackling from Anscombe allowed scores. The first 3 tries were all from missed one on one tackles. Thats just not good enough. Also we were beaten up at the breakdown so the idea of two 7's did not work. 

Jac is a monster at defending but he is average at the breakdown so we need to find another way. Faletau was our MOM for me - class is permanent. What was Ben Thomas thinking - just had a man binned and presented with the chance to get it 50 metres downfield & tries instead a kick-pass, Murray tried to salvage the situation & Thomas made a horlicks of it - very poor stuff. 

Big test for Sherratt now as his selection for England will show if he is a coach who is swayed by actual performance. My team for England would be if all fit -

15. Murray 14. Rogers 13. Llewelyn 12. Eddie 11. Adams 10. Jarrod 9. Rhodri
1. Smith 2. Lake 3. Assiratti 4. Jenkins 5. Teddy Williams 6. Wainwright 7. Morgan 8. Faletau

16. Dee 17. Thomas 18. Thomas 19. Rowlands 20. Plumtree 21. Bevan 22. Edwards 23. Roberts

I suspect both Adams & Rogers may be missing - if so it may be Hathaway & Mee starting. 

He will never drop Tomos Williams because he knows him and all the English press who have fawned over him playing touch rugby all season. (Sorry couldn’t resist)

I would start Mee at full back 
Llewelyn on wing with Adams
Joe and Eddie centres 
Jarrod 10 all game 
Cawdor plead for one game he can play
Faletau 
Morgan
Wainwright
Jenkins
Rowlands 
Henry Thomas
Lake 
Gareth Thomas 

Reps 
WHJ
Dee
Smith
Williams 
Thomas 
Rhodri
Blair Murray (covers whole backline)
Harsh on Reffell who I really rate and hope Cubby can talk him round to signing for us but I think we need big forwards for this one. 




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I agree with whoever said they should try and persuade Cawdor to come back next week, ‘one last hooray’, but if not play Rhodri. Tomos Wms is so slow he is nearly on full stop - I’m not bothered how good he is for an English team to be honest.
As regards Mee, I totally agree with ap sior, give him a chance, VDM was always going to be better given previous experience, but give Ellis a chance - and Blair too, loads of promise and they will learn. VDM is just a big strong lump and technically I bet they are better than him (I will be pilloried here for that I expect, but Blair sure as hell will be better as the Kiwis are always taught to do everything properly). VDM just bashes into people.

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