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    Posted: 09 February 2025 at 10:10am
Let’s imagine Gatland and co are gone.

Which players amongst those who made themselves unavailable for him would come back into consideration for selection under a new coaching set up?

Who would you keep from the youngsters that have been blooded in this marathon of defeat?

Amongst the keeps, I’d go for

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Tomi Rogers, Blair Murray, Dan Edwards and there are others not yet played who deserve their chance subject to who might return to international duty

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Quite a few have given decent account of themselves although we need a few of the older heads to help nurture and develop the less experienced.
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I think that for the next 3 or 4 years, we are screwed. We might be able to put out a decent starting 15 but we have nothing in depth. I hope the new coaches are not job for the boys as WOL are tipping Humphries as 6/1 for head coach. Ffs. We must also pick players in their correct positions and only pick those who are actually playing week in week out. Finally the new coaches should be identifying talented u18s and u20 players and intergrating them immediately into the squads to aclimatise them with the expectation, training and development needed to succed.

To me, head coach should be one of O'Gara, Lam or Baxter
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O'Gara would not be interested but he should be on a wishlist for sure. Lam is interesting. Has Bristol playing very expansive gameplan which could be said to suit a lot of the Welsh talent available. Joe Schmidt finishes with Australia in the Autumn. He has cited wanting to spend more time with family so may not be interested in spending 6 months of the year in Wales. 
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Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

I think that for the next 3 or 4 years, we are screwed. We might be able to put out a decent starting 15 but we have nothing in depth. I hope the new coaches are not job for the boys as WOL are tipping Humphries as 6/1 for head coach. Ffs. We must also pick players in their correct positions and only pick those who are actually playing week in week out. Finally the new coaches should be identifying talented u18s and u20 players and intergrating them immediately into the squads to aclimatise them with the expectation, training and development needed to succed.

To me, head coach should be one of O'Gara, Lam or Baxter

3 or 4? At least 5, any new coach won’t make a bit of difference. Read what Ken Owen’s said if you have a chance he’s nailed it. 
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I’ve mentioned this name on a previous thread but for me I don’t see past Simon Easterby. More than anything I think we need someone younger and not one of the old crowd who can bring out a new forward thinking generation of Welsh rugby.

In terms of not having the players I just don’t believe it. To me there is a lot of talent and good players in Welsh rugby. Some might not be considered to have the x-factor of our last golden generation but with the right selection and better coaching they can be more than competitive. There must be a more successful team in the below list of players.

1. Nicky Smith
2. Dewi Lake
3. Henry Thomas
4. Dafydd Jenkins
5. Teddy Williams
6. Aaron Wainwright
7. Jac Morgan
8. Taulupe Faletau 

9. Rueben Morgan-Williams
10. Dan Edwards
11. Mason Grady
12. Johnny Williams
13. Max Llewelyn
14. Blair Murray
15. Tom Rogers

16. Brodie Coughlan
17. Gareth Thomas
18. Kieron Assiratti
19. Christ Tshiunza
20. Josh Macleod
21. Kieran Hardy
22. Sam Costellow
23. Eddie James

Then there also the below players who either already could be in that 23, have experience in that 23, or are starting to breakout who have the potential to be developed and fed into the squad. (I’m sure there are other non-Scarlets players in the other clubs who should be mentioned here that I’m not aware of). 

Kemsley Matthias 
Sam 0’Conner
Elliott Dee
Evan Lloyd
Ryan Elias
Harri O’Conner
Archie Griffen
Will Davies-King
James Fender
Ben Carter
Harri Deaves
Alex Mann
Shane Lewis-Hughes
Ryan Woodman
Morgan Morse
Rhodri Williams
Aled Davies
Archie Hughes
Morgan Lloyd
Ioan Lloyd
Will Reed
Steffan Emmanuel
Joe Roberts
Macs Page
Jacob Beetham
Josh Hathaway
Ellis Mee
Tom Bowen

That’s not including any of the U18s who are looking like they have bright futures or U20s players who haven’t had club experience yet but also being talked about with promise. It also doesn’t include some of the older players who still might something to offer in terms of experience like Josh Adams and Liam Williams.


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Id consider all of the following as well as some of the others in the current squad...
But Id ike to see them play in their actual positions not chucking 
in a 12 at 10 after only 2 games at fly half.....Just bizarreConfused

Ioan Lloyd 
Jarod evans
rhys patchell
johnny wiiiiams
morgan morse
morgan morris
eddie james 
kieran wiliams
macs page
joe roberts 
sheedy
dewi lake
rob elias
plumtree
kieran hardy
rio dyer
josh macleod
sam parry
ryan conbeer
basham
etc

Ill think of more later ...Im watching the match lol

a plethora of centres a dearth or wingers and full backs....a shortage at 8 .....and not much depth at lock...front row ...a few experienced choices avaiable but none really stand out atm


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As always with 'new' coaches, I'm willing to give them a chance and am patient about that - but I'm afraid that after the world cup, the second coming of Gatland has not worked out - not helped by some really odd selections. 

Perhaps he'll resign at the end of the season? Changing mid-season is not really an option, IMO. No idea who will come in, who is available, who is interested - but they'll have a job on their hands. A lot of the old guard retired around the time of the RWC and the younger players, no matter how promising some of them are, lack experience. 

So, no miraculous change of fortune seems in sight... but to improve, the new coaching team MUST pick players in their usual positions, and MUST pick players who are playing regularly and 100% fit - as one of you said already. 
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Steff just posted an article. (Go on the app to read it all) 2 million to sack him then.  

Wednesday's WRU board meeting is a scheduled gathering but Gatland's immediate future will inevitably be discussed.

WalesOnline have been told by numerous high-ranking Welsh rugby sources there is a break clause in Gatland's contract which can be activated this summer. On the flipside, if the WRU were to sack Gatland before the summer it could cost them in the region of £2m. CEO Abi Tierney has previously stated any break clause was not a consideration in Gatland's future.

The key question is whether removing Gatland as head coach midway through the Six Nations and installing a caretaker would lead to a bounce in performance. If the WRU believe it would, one potential solution could be to put Gatland on gardening leave and promote one of his assistants or bring in one of the regional coaches on secondment until the end of the Championship.

Prior to the Six Nations the WRU backed Gatland to turn things around, but a record 14 Test match defeats in a row cannot be ignored by those in power. Just as importantly, the lack of any signs of improvement in performance over the past year is troubling.
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Steff just posted an article. (Go on the app to read it all) 2 million to sack him then.  

Wednesday's WRU board meeting is a scheduled gathering but Gatland's immediate future will inevitably be discussed.

WalesOnline have been told by numerous high-ranking Welsh rugby sources there is a break clause in Gatland's contract which can be activated this summer. On the flipside, if the WRU were to sack Gatland before the summer it could cost them in the region of £2m. CEO Abi Tierney has previously stated any break clause was not a consideration in Gatland's future.

The key question is whether removing Gatland as head coach midway through the Six Nations and installing a caretaker would lead to a bounce in performance. If the WRU believe it would, one potential solution could be to put Gatland on gardening leave and promote one of his assistants or bring in one of the regional coaches on secondment until the end of the Championship.

Prior to the Six Nations the WRU backed Gatland to turn things around, but a record 14 Test match defeats in a row cannot be ignored by those in power. Just as importantly, the lack of any signs of improvement in performance over the past year is troubling.


I’d put Gatland on gardening leave and bring in a regional coach or two. We’ve nothing to lose, let’s start the journey out of this mess now.


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just for completeness, I’d like to know what the cost would be at the time the break clause is operable.

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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Steff just posted an article. (Go on the app to read it all) 2 million to sack him then.  

Wednesday's WRU board meeting is a scheduled gathering but Gatland's immediate future will inevitably be discussed.

WalesOnline have been told by numerous high-ranking Welsh rugby sources there is a break clause in Gatland's contract which can be activated this summer. On the flipside, if the WRU were to sack Gatland before the summer it could cost them in the region of £2m. CEO Abi Tierney has previously stated any break clause was not a consideration in Gatland's future.

The key question is whether removing Gatland as head coach midway through the Six Nations and installing a caretaker would lead to a bounce in performance. If the WRU believe it would, one potential solution could be to put Gatland on gardening leave and promote one of his assistants or bring in one of the regional coaches on secondment until the end of the Championship.

Prior to the Six Nations the WRU backed Gatland to turn things around, but a record 14 Test match defeats in a row cannot be ignored by those in power. Just as importantly, the lack of any signs of improvement in performance over the past year is troubling.


I’d put Gatland on gardening leave and bring in a regional coach or two. We’ve nothing to lose, let’s start the journey out of this mess now.

Same. It would give our regional coaches a taste of top level rugby. 
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What app is the article on?
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What app is the article on?

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Stick him on Gardening leave until the summer and the get rid of him and Howley. I would give Mark Jones, Peel and Sherratt the gig until the end of the 6 nations. It would be great exposure for them if nothing else.
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If they dont act now the fans may never come back

Their cash cow, the 6 nations isnt even close to a sell out...
Most clubs have loads left for Wales V Ireland ....Foel rfc for example have 70 x £130 tickets left and a few more lower categories. Thats about £10k worth of tickets..Loads of desperate clubs trying to sell theirs off on facebook etc .Even if half get sold last minute... multipy these losses by 300+ clubs and you could be looking at over 10,000 empty seats and over a million pounds down the drain
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