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WALES 2025 AUTUMN NATIONS SERIES FIXTURES
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Live on TNT Sports, discovery+ and S4C. Sunday 9 November: Wales v Argentina KO 3.10pm
Saturday 15 November: Wales v Japan KO 5.40pm
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Posted: 19 February 2025 at 5:56am |
Edwards in the mix for coach.
Worth a £5 bet at 150/1 for Wales win.
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Posted: 19 February 2025 at 6:53am |
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Edwards in the mix for coach.
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Better spending it on a pint!
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Posted: 19 February 2025 at 7:14am |
Again selection will be key. If the above rumoured team is correct I am surprised. I agree with RR that Rogers not in but Adams is nonsense. Rogers at 15, Mee ( congrats young man) on wing. I won't even comment on Will Griff. The playing of two open sides is not my favoured pairing but I kind of see the logic. It worked well for England for 50 minutes as they slowed down Irish ball.
Looks like a selection up front based on staying in the game by stopping Ireland playing. Quite where our gainline success is coming from I don't understand. Was hoping for some positive selections but if correct I am a little disappointed. I would like to see Jarrod & Rhodri at half back with Eddie & Max at centres with a Scarlet back 3 being told to attack with ball in hand.
The selection of Jac at 6 is a part admission that he isn't the man over the ball that Reffell is but he is also our best defender. England overcame the lineout issues created by picking two open sides by calling 4 man lineouts on their throw - lets see if we follow them. We have nothing to lose in this game which is why I would have loved to see the team set up to attack.
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That front row is going to go back quicker than an Italian tank what a joke and for Tomos Williams and Ben Thomas to still be in team then we are royally knackered. Second row to lightweight not seen anything in Jenkins to get excited about even though he very well thought of at Exeter. Good luck to Mee and Murray only ball they be seeing is from up and unders. Bring back Gatland I say 🤪🤪🤪
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Posted: 19 February 2025 at 10:46am |
Why wrote:
That front row is going to go back quicker than an Italian tank what a joke and for Tomos Williams and Ben Thomas to still be in team then we are royally knackered.Second row to lightweight not seen anything in Jenkins to get excited about even though he very well thought of at Exeter. Good luck to Mee and Murray only ball they be seeing is from up and unders. Bring back Gatland I say 🤪🤪🤪
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I'm actually looking forward to this game as Wales greatest pundits and more learned and far more correct watchers have more or less picked the side.
Thrilled for Mee he is a exciting heads up player and deserves it , I'm beginning to dislike the Irish arrogance as much as my lifelong passion to beat England. The strange thing is I'm OK with the English in my old age and totally different spectrum for the Irish lot.
Just saying.
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Posted: 19 February 2025 at 11:03am |
GPR - Rochester wrote:
Again selection will be key. If the above rumoured team is correct I am surprised. I agree with RR that Rogers not in but Adams is nonsense. Rogers at 15, Mee ( congrats young man) on wing. I won't even comment on Will Griff. The playing of two open sides is not my favoured pairing but I kind of see the logic. It worked well for England for 50 minutes as they slowed down Irish ball.
Looks like a selection up front based on staying in the game by stopping Ireland playing. Quite where our gainline success is coming from I don't understand. Was hoping for some positive selections but if correct I am a little disappointed. I would like to see Jarrod & Rhodri at half back with Eddie & Max at centres with a Scarlet back 3 being told to attack with ball in hand.
The selection of Jac at 6 is a part admission that he isn't the man over the ball that Reffell is but he is also our best defender. England overcame the lineout issues created by picking two open sides by calling 4 man lineouts on their throw - lets see if we follow them. We have nothing to lose in this game which is why I would have loved to see the team set up to attack. |
If the rumoured team is correct, the 6-2 selection on the bench is concerning with Rhodri and Rogers covering the backs that must mean Sherratt intends for Thomas to move from 12 to 10, then I suppose Llewellyn to 12 and Adams to 13, all to fit Botham onto the bench with Wainwright. There must be something in the air in the Vale.
Still, I suppose nothing is official until tomorrow, and irregardless I'm still excited to see what I hope is a refreshed team take the field. This is the first home game of the tournament so win, lose, or draw, I hope we put on a show that entertains and arrests the growing apathy.
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Posted: 19 February 2025 at 12:06pm |
lofty evans wrote:
Why wrote:
That front row is going to go back quicker than an Italian tank what a joke and for Tomos Williams and Ben Thomas to still be in team then we are royally knackered.Second row to lightweight not seen anything in Jenkins to get excited about even though he very well thought of at Exeter. Good luck to Mee and Murray only ball they be seeing is from up and unders. Bring back Gatland I say 🤪🤪🤪
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I'm actually looking forward to this game as Wales greatest pundits and more learned and far more correct watchers have more or less picked the side.
Thrilled for Mee he is a exciting heads up player and deserves it , I'm beginning to dislike the Irish arrogance as much as my lifelong passion to beat England. The strange thing is I'm OK with the English in my old age and totally different spectrum for the Irish lot.
Just saying.
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I'm beginning to see this a lot combined with some optimism, of a small quantity of course, bubbling off the back of a new coach coming in. But I think there needs to be a little bit of a reality check for many Welsh supporter.
This weekend will likely be just as bad as the France game was, in terms of winning margin and flow for the game. I know a lot of fans don't want to hear this so just play it off as "Irish arrogance" but it's not, it's just the reality of where both sides are at right now.
Yes, there will be a "manager bounce" as many have put it, but the way people go on about it you'd think it will be the difference between losing by 40 points and losing by 20 points...when in reality, if it has any impact at all on the scoreboard, it will be the difference in maybe 1 score. it certainly won't fix the obvious issue of player quality/experience and being tactically inept...that isn't going to be fixed in 1 week with a new & inexperienced coach. That if anything just minimizes the impact of a "manager bounce".
So, in conclusion, if fans want to believe in a "manager bounce" and play off the talk of a big Irish win as just "Irish arrogance" then that's fine, buts it's going to make the inevitable tanking Wales are in for hurt much more.
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Posted: 19 February 2025 at 5:50pm |
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Posted: 20 February 2025 at 1:39pm |
N@than wrote:
lofty evans wrote:
Why wrote:
That front row is going to go back quicker than an Italian tank what a joke and for Tomos Williams and Ben Thomas to still be in team then we are royally knackered.Second row to lightweight not seen anything in Jenkins to get excited about even though he very well thought of at Exeter. Good luck to Mee and Murray only ball they be seeing is from up and unders. Bring back Gatland I say 🤪🤪🤪
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I'm actually looking forward to this game as Wales greatest pundits and more learned and far more correct watchers have more or less picked the side.
Thrilled for Mee he is a exciting heads up player and deserves it , I'm beginning to dislike the Irish arrogance as much as my lifelong passion to beat England. The strange thing is I'm OK with the English in my old age and totally different spectrum for the Irish lot.
Just saying.
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I'm beginning to see this a lot combined with some optimism, of a small quantity of course, bubbling off the back of a new coach coming in. But I think there needs to be a little bit of a reality check for many Welsh supporter.
This weekend will likely be just as bad as the France game was, in terms of winning margin and flow for the game. I know a lot of fans don't want to hear this so just play it off as "Irish arrogance" but it's not, it's just the reality of where both sides are at right now.
Yes, there will be a "manager bounce" as many have put it, but the way people go on about it you'd think it will be the difference between losing by 40 points and losing by 20 points...when in reality, if it has any impact at all on the scoreboard, it will be the difference in maybe 1 score. it certainly won't fix the obvious issue of player quality/experience and being tactically inept...that isn't going to be fixed in 1 week with a new & inexperienced coach. That if anything just minimizes the impact of a "manager bounce".
So, in conclusion, if fans want to believe in a "manager bounce" and play off the talk of a big Irish win as just "Irish arrogance" then that's fine, buts it's going to make the inevitable tanking Wales are in for hurt much more. |
Only your second post - may I assume you support Ireland? if so, please come out and say so - you will not be hanged from the nearest lamp post!
FWIW, I suspect you are right in most of what you say. The gap between Wales and ireland is too great ATM to be changed by a mid-season change in head coach... but we may hope for a bit of added enthusiasm and a reduced losing margin.
Our main problem is that the structures in Ireland have been set up over many years, and are working well, whereas in Wales we have been fire-fighting for far too long. But... I don't despair. Seasons come and seasons go. Sooner or later, the Dragon will raise its head again. Let's hope it won't be too long. (FYI - I saw my first Wales v Ireland test in person in 1961. Wales won.)
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Posted: 20 February 2025 at 1:55pm |
aber-fan wrote:
N@than wrote:
lofty evans wrote:
Why wrote:
That front row is going to go back quicker than an Italian tank what a joke and for Tomos Williams and Ben Thomas to still be in team then we are royally knackered.Second row to lightweight not seen anything in Jenkins to get excited about even though he very well thought of at Exeter. Good luck to Mee and Murray only ball they be seeing is from up and unders. Bring back Gatland I say 🤪🤪🤪
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I'm actually looking forward to this game as Wales greatest pundits and more learned and far more correct watchers have more or less picked the side.
Thrilled for Mee he is a exciting heads up player and deserves it , I'm beginning to dislike the Irish arrogance as much as my lifelong passion to beat England. The strange thing is I'm OK with the English in my old age and totally different spectrum for the Irish lot.
Just saying.
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I'm beginning to see this a lot combined with some optimism, of a small quantity of course, bubbling off the back of a new coach coming in. But I think there needs to be a little bit of a reality check for many Welsh supporter.
This weekend will likely be just as bad as the France game was, in terms of winning margin and flow for the game. I know a lot of fans don't want to hear this so just play it off as "Irish arrogance" but it's not, it's just the reality of where both sides are at right now.
Yes, there will be a "manager bounce" as many have put it, but the way people go on about it you'd think it will be the difference between losing by 40 points and losing by 20 points...when in reality, if it has any impact at all on the scoreboard, it will be the difference in maybe 1 score. it certainly won't fix the obvious issue of player quality/experience and being tactically inept...that isn't going to be fixed in 1 week with a new & inexperienced coach. That if anything just minimizes the impact of a "manager bounce".
So, in conclusion, if fans want to believe in a "manager bounce" and play off the talk of a big Irish win as just "Irish arrogance" then that's fine, buts it's going to make the inevitable tanking Wales are in for hurt much more. |
Only your second post - may I assume you support Ireland? if so, please come out and say so - you will not be hanged from the nearest lamp post!
FWIW, I suspect you are right in most of what you say. The gap between Wales and ireland is too great ATM to be changed by a mid-season change in head coach... but we may hope for a bit of added enthusiasm and a reduced losing margin.
Our main problem is that the structures in Ireland have been set up over many years, and are working well, whereas in Wales we have been fire-fighting for far too long. But... I don't despair. Seasons come and seasons go. Sooner or later, the Dragon will raise its head again. Let's hope it won't be too long. (FYI - I saw my first Wales v Ireland test in person in 1961. Wales won.) |
You are some way ahead of me Australia in 1975. On a slightly depressing note I had a ticket for the Grand Slam game in 1978. Unfortunately picked up the flu and couldn’t even get down stairs never mind to Cardiff- so gave the ticket to a friend who consoled me by saying I would be at the next Grand Slam winning game. Neither of expected to have to wait until 2005 though!
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Posted: 20 February 2025 at 2:15pm |
Discussions with rugby nutters in work today, one Englishman ( ex Bristol front row ) one Scot and 2 Welshmen ( one ex Bridgend and one ex Llanharan forward ) and all agreed on one thing, Ireland are not admired but the complete opposite, I'm not alone in saying about their arrogance.
On another note we all disagreed on the openside for the Lions and who should be the backs for the Lions.
Consensus that Farrell will be leaning towards yep....the Irish.
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Posted: 20 February 2025 at 3:15pm |
Kentexile wrote:
aber-fan wrote:
N@than wrote:
lofty evans wrote:
Why wrote:
That front row is going to go back quicker than an Italian tank what a joke and for Tomos Williams and Ben Thomas to still be in team then we are royally knackered.Second row to lightweight not seen anything in Jenkins to get excited about even though he very well thought of at Exeter. Good luck to Mee and Murray only ball they be seeing is from up and unders. Bring back Gatland I say 🤪🤪🤪
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I'm actually looking forward to this game as Wales greatest pundits and more learned and far more correct watchers have more or less picked the side.
Thrilled for Mee he is a exciting heads up player and deserves it , I'm beginning to dislike the Irish arrogance as much as my lifelong passion to beat England. The strange thing is I'm OK with the English in my old age and totally different spectrum for the Irish lot.
Just saying.
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I'm beginning to see this a lot combined with some optimism, of a small quantity of course, bubbling off the back of a new coach coming in. But I think there needs to be a little bit of a reality check for many Welsh supporter.
This weekend will likely be just as bad as the France game was, in terms of winning margin and flow for the game. I know a lot of fans don't want to hear this so just play it off as "Irish arrogance" but it's not, it's just the reality of where both sides are at right now.
Yes, there will be a "manager bounce" as many have put it, but the way people go on about it you'd think it will be the difference between losing by 40 points and losing by 20 points...when in reality, if it has any impact at all on the scoreboard, it will be the difference in maybe 1 score. it certainly won't fix the obvious issue of player quality/experience and being tactically inept...that isn't going to be fixed in 1 week with a new & inexperienced coach. That if anything just minimizes the impact of a "manager bounce".
So, in conclusion, if fans want to believe in a "manager bounce" and play off the talk of a big Irish win as just "Irish arrogance" then that's fine, buts it's going to make the inevitable tanking Wales are in for hurt much more. |
Only your second post - may I assume you support Ireland? if so, please come out and say so - you will not be hanged from the nearest lamp post!
FWIW, I suspect you are right in most of what you say. The gap between Wales and ireland is too great ATM to be changed by a mid-season change in head coach... but we may hope for a bit of added enthusiasm and a reduced losing margin.
Our main problem is that the structures in Ireland have been set up over many years, and are working well, whereas in Wales we have been fire-fighting for far too long. But... I don't despair. Seasons come and seasons go. Sooner or later, the Dragon will raise its head again. Let's hope it won't be too long. (FYI - I saw my first Wales v Ireland test in person in 1961. Wales won.) |
You are some way ahead of me Australia in 1975. On a slightly depressing note I had a ticket for the Grand Slam game in 1978. Unfortunately picked up the flu and couldn’t even get down stairs never mind to Cardiff- so gave the ticket to a friend who consoled me by saying I would be at the next Grand Slam winning game. Neither of expected to have to wait until 2005 though! |
OMG! as the youngsters say...
That match... there is no way I was going to miss it, even though I was supposed to work on Saturday morning in a school in Liverpool. So, I made my excuses - "I have a delivery of a washing machine and need to be at the house!". The school authorities (a rugby playing one - Mike Slemen was a teacher) were naturally suspicious and would only release me from morning break at around 10.45am - whe I jumped in the car and drove down the M6, M5 and M4 at 80-90mph, getting there with time to spare as it happened.
And it was well worth it... having first seen Benny aged 15 use his devastating sidestep, I knew exactly what he was going to do when he got the ball 5m out. Maybe his opponent did, too... but anyway, he could do nothing about it! 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkiUY_CaBkI
His other try was also brilliant, but the cameraman couldn't keep up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLU7Sa1gXU
Edited by aber-fan - 20 February 2025 at 3:19pm
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Posted: 20 February 2025 at 5:28pm |
aber-fan wrote:
Kentexile wrote:
aber-fan wrote:
N@than wrote:
lofty evans wrote:
Why wrote:
That front row is going to go back quicker than an Italian tank what a joke and for Tomos Williams and Ben Thomas to still be in team then we are royally knackered.Second row to lightweight not seen anything in Jenkins to get excited about even though he very well thought of at Exeter. Good luck to Mee and Murray only ball they be seeing is from up and unders. Bring back Gatland I say 🤪🤪🤪
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I'm actually looking forward to this game as Wales greatest pundits and more learned and far more correct watchers have more or less picked the side.
Thrilled for Mee he is a exciting heads up player and deserves it , I'm beginning to dislike the Irish arrogance as much as my lifelong passion to beat England. The strange thing is I'm OK with the English in my old age and totally different spectrum for the Irish lot.
Just saying.
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I'm beginning to see this a lot combined with some optimism, of a small quantity of course, bubbling off the back of a new coach coming in. But I think there needs to be a little bit of a reality check for many Welsh supporter.
This weekend will likely be just as bad as the France game was, in terms of winning margin and flow for the game. I know a lot of fans don't want to hear this so just play it off as "Irish arrogance" but it's not, it's just the reality of where both sides are at right now.
Yes, there will be a "manager bounce" as many have put it, but the way people go on about it you'd think it will be the difference between losing by 40 points and losing by 20 points...when in reality, if it has any impact at all on the scoreboard, it will be the difference in maybe 1 score. it certainly won't fix the obvious issue of player quality/experience and being tactically inept...that isn't going to be fixed in 1 week with a new & inexperienced coach. That if anything just minimizes the impact of a "manager bounce".
So, in conclusion, if fans want to believe in a "manager bounce" and play off the talk of a big Irish win as just "Irish arrogance" then that's fine, buts it's going to make the inevitable tanking Wales are in for hurt much more. |
Only your second post - may I assume you support Ireland? if so, please come out and say so - you will not be hanged from the nearest lamp post!
FWIW, I suspect you are right in most of what you say. The gap between Wales and ireland is too great ATM to be changed by a mid-season change in head coach... but we may hope for a bit of added enthusiasm and a reduced losing margin.
Our main problem is that the structures in Ireland have been set up over many years, and are working well, whereas in Wales we have been fire-fighting for far too long. But... I don't despair. Seasons come and seasons go. Sooner or later, the Dragon will raise its head again. Let's hope it won't be too long. (FYI - I saw my first Wales v Ireland test in person in 1961. Wales won.) |
You are some way ahead of me Australia in 1975. On a slightly depressing note I had a ticket for the Grand Slam game in 1978. Unfortunately picked up the flu and couldn’t even get down stairs never mind to Cardiff- so gave the ticket to a friend who consoled me by saying I would be at the next Grand Slam winning game. Neither of expected to have to wait until 2005 though! |
OMG! as the youngsters say...
That match... there is no way I was going to miss it, even though I was supposed to work on Saturday morning in a school in Liverpool. So, I made my excuses - "I have a delivery of a washing machine and need to be at the house!". The school authorities (a rugby playing one - Mike Slemen was a teacher) were naturally suspicious and would only release me from morning break at around 10.45am - whe I jumped in the car and drove down the M6, M5 and M4 at 80-90mph, getting there with time to spare as it happened.
And it was well worth it... having first seen Benny aged 15 use his devastating sidestep, I knew exactly what he was going to do when he got the ball 5m out. Maybe his opponent did, too... but anyway, he could do nothing about it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkiUY_CaBkI
His other try was also brilliant, but the cameraman couldn't keep up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLU7Sa1gXU
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Cracking story - it was also a brilliant way for Benny to sign off his International career.
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