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dyniol53
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I get what you’re saying though SA14.
If both had been overturned we’d all be raging. For the first one we would be saying “by the letter of the law it’s a try” and for the 2nd one we’d be saying “well he’s knocked it onto his leg and it’s gone backwards - what’s the problem?” And we’d be quoting the laws quoted above. So it’s a funny one. It’s clear to say that England got the rough end of the stick and had to fight an uphill battle in that first half. But as said above once the scores got to 24-24 England failed to tighten up their discipline and gave away 3 more penalties that didn’t really need to be given...
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Quite right in all you say - England then gave away several unnecessary pens, three of which Sheedy kicked to take us 9 points clear - they imploded, basically, when cool heads were needed. They only have themselves to blame. Zero sympathy from me!
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dyniol53
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A side effect of teams being so ill disciplined against us is that we don’t seem to have to spend long periods with the ball in possession.
Usually Wales look their worst/most clueless when we’re attacking for multiple but not getting over the gain line. As a Welsh fan these were always the most demoralising moments under gatland and last year - but no one has made us play with the ball for longer than 5-6 phases without giving a penalty away this 6N.
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roy munster
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wales have generally been a clean side , infinitely cleaner than the all blacks thats for sure. Theyd go in with pre meditated plans to hurt people. Now finally with the laws and refs and cameras all tightening up , this could become a big factor in which sides are most successful in future.
If england had the rub of the green as they usually do at twickenham then the biased english press wouldnt even mention it. How many times has farrell got away with disgusting high tackles, forearms smashes at twickenham? Hopefully no longer Edited by roy munster - 03 March 2021 at 12:50pm |
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Eastern outpost
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It’s very wearing to have an abrasive whinger and at times it can penetrate the armour of even the best ref.
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roy munster
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55 seconds from when the pen was awarded to when biggar kicked it is plenty of time for farrell to sort himself and his team mates out, 100% fine try 1 Try 2, I assume its a knock on so a mistake seems to have been made
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dr_martinov
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I think the issue is more the length of time from when the ref said "talk to your players" to when time was back on. How long was this and what is typical?
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I think it was around 20-25 seconds.
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roy munster
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The first 33 seconds he spends lecturing farrell is relelvant too as combined with the 22 seconds he gives farrell to lecture his endlessly rule breaking team, is a total of 55 seconds from the penalty awarded to being taken. Thats long enough imo. why should wales be slowed down by the endless cheating rule breaking then be slowed even further by the arguing and internal lectring within english ranks. the ref is doing them a favor with the warning as any more and its a yellow card. Itoje was very lucky not to get carded. Genge had a few ropey moments too. I dont care how much pressure the enlgish media and hype put on it, the first try 55 seconds was plenty.
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ap sior
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Double standards anyone???
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roy munster
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Classic lol Its not identical but its pretty close...Ive seen loads of tries given like that and with water carriers everywhere
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GPR - Rochester
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I think its pretty relevant when the ref admits he has made two mistakes. We can dress this up in any way you like but we were gifted 11 points. We won't be the first or last to benefit this way but lets stop trying to justify the unjustifiable.
Welsh discipline and willingness to play the full 80 should be celebrated as the main reason we sit 3 from 3 despite the failings of other teams and brain farts by referees and TMO's.
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roy munster
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Yes plus alertness, professionalism, taking our chances clinically, pretty good defence, improving lineout, brave substitutions, bit of extra width when its on and bit of luck with injuries at last. I think our year of misery has a few silver linings in that pivac has tested and tried out a few newbies and some have come through with flying colours. Our main criticism of gats was some years he simply didnt blood enough new caps
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roy munster
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Rough look at the depth in welsh rugby 14 LRZ / Johnny mac/owen lane/steff/giles 13 north / foxy/tompkin 12 williams/halahola/watkin/ 11 adams/amos//luke morgan/conbeer 10 biggar / sheedy/evans/patchell 9 cawdor/hardy/tomow/webb/williams 8 faletau/moriarty/wainwright 7 tips/cubby/macleod/jac morgan 6 navidi/botham/ellis jenkins 5 awj/cory hill/rowlands 4 beard/ball/seb davies 3 wyn j/brown/rob evs/ 2 ken/dee/elias 1 frances/carre/samson/will gruff Thats crazy depth and quality compared to previous years decades..
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dr_martinov
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Also suggests three regions would be the right number (plus one purely developmental maybe).
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GPR - Rochester
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Not that crazy if I am being honest Roy. Best to look at that list with some realism when it comes to making the 2023 World cup and beyond. We are really weak at 15 & 13; struggling at 4/5; of the players mentioned at 14 & 11 only two are International standard at the moment in my view. Where are the next generation of back 3 players?
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