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    Posted: 10 March 2025 at 3:51pm
OK, going early on this:

15 - B Murray
14 - M Llewellyn
13 - J Roberts (played well on the wing, but moving Llewellyn out makes more sense with his height)
12 - B Thomas
11 - E Mee
10 - J Evans
9 - T Williams (no point switching especially as bringing in a 10 he's played with)
8 - T Faletau
7 - J Morgan
6 - A Wainwright
5 - D Jenkins
4 - T Williams
3 - H Thomas
2 - E Dee
1 - N Smith

16 - G Thomas
17 - D Lake
18 - W John / K Assiratti (whomever Bomb decides!)
19 - W Rowlands
20 - T Reffell
21 - R Williams
22 - G Anscombe 
23 - E James
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

OK, going early on this:

15 - B Murray
14 - M Llewellyn
13 - J Roberts (played well on the wing, but moving Llewellyn out makes more sense with his height)
12 - B Thomas
11 - E Mee
10 - J Evans
9 - T Williams (no point switching especially as bringing in a 10 he's played with)
8 - T Faletau
7 - J Morgan
6 - A Wainwright
5 - D Jenkins
4 - T Williams
3 - H Thomas
2 - E Dee
1 - N Smith

16 - G Thomas
17 - D Lake
18 - W John / K Assiratti (whomever Bomb decides!)
19 - W Rowlands
20 - T Reffell
21 - R Williams
22 - G Anscombe 
23 - E James
Cant argue with that
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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

OK, going early on this:

15 - B Murray
14 - M Llewellyn
13 - J Roberts (played well on the wing, but moving Llewellyn out makes more sense with his height)
12 - B Thomas
11 - E Mee
10 - J Evans
9 - T Williams (no point switching especially as bringing in a 10 he's played with)
8 - T Faletau
7 - J Morgan
6 - A Wainwright
5 - D Jenkins
4 - T Williams
3 - H Thomas
2 - E Dee
1 - N Smith

16 - G Thomas
17 - D Lake
18 - W John / K Assiratti (whomever Bomb decides!)
19 - W Rowlands
20 - T Reffell
21 - R Williams
22 - G Anscombe 
23 - E James
Cant argue with that

At one time Western  Mail leading sports  writer  was JBG Thomas, otherwise  known as the " SIXTH SELECTOR " ...( the big 5 were the selectors. then).
Maybe we should add Mr Peregoes toothed list Wink
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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

OK, going early on this:

15 - B Murray
14 - M Llewellyn
13 - J Roberts (played well on the wing, but moving Llewellyn out makes more sense with his height)
12 - B Thomas
11 - E Mee
10 - J Evans
9 - T Williams (no point switching especially as bringing in a 10 he's played with)
8 - T Faletau
7 - J Morgan
6 - A Wainwright
5 - D Jenkins
4 - T Williams
3 - H Thomas
2 - E Dee
1 - N Smith

16 - G Thomas
17 - D Lake
18 - W John / K Assiratti (whomever Bomb decides!)
19 - W Rowlands
20 - T Reffell
21 - R Williams
22 - G Anscombe 
23 - E James
Cant argue with that

At one time Western  Mail leading sports  writer  was JBG Thomas, otherwise  known as the " SIXTH SELECTOR " ...( the big 5 were the selectors. then).
Maybe we should add Mr Peregoes toothed list Wink
"TO THE LIST"...predictive text..urghh!
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I await the call eagerly! 
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I await the call eagerly! 

Hey...we could have done,with you when Gatland was thereLOL 
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

OK, going early on this:

15 - B Murray
14 - M Llewellyn
13 - J Roberts (played well on the wing, but moving Llewellyn out makes more sense with his height)
12 - B Thomas
11 - E Mee
10 - J Evans
9 - T Williams (no point switching especially as bringing in a 10 he's played with)
8 - T Faletau
7 - J Morgan
6 - A Wainwright
5 - D Jenkins
4 - T Williams
3 - H Thomas
2 - E Dee
1 - N Smith

16 - G Thomas
17 - D Lake
18 - W John / K Assiratti (whomever Bomb decides!)
19 - W Rowlands
20 - T Reffell
21 - R Williams
22 - G Anscombe 
23 - E James
Looks about right ATM...Roberts may stay wing ...otherwise looks accurate
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England are on a high ( yuk ) and I don't have a good feeling about the game.

Hope I'm wrong though.


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Can't agree with RBP on that selection. Don't think Sherratt will want to mess with his centre pairing at this stage so I think either Joe or Hathaway to the wing. You ask why change Tomos Williams - well perhaps because he has been awful in the past two games and hardly set the world alight before.

Rhodri is a better passer & kicker so would get the nod from me. I have no idea who will get the nod at tight head but I would suggest Assiratti. I would start Lake - he is fit so start him. Wales need to start this game firing not find themselves out of it after 30 minutes. I would also have Edwards on the bench. Anscombe for unfortunately injuries and age have caught up with him. Finally I have my doubts about Reffell on the bench. England's back row are very direct & powerful. I would go with some size - Thomas of Gloucester or Plumtree.
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I dont understand why the best 12 at the moment in Wales in out of the team...Jhonny is far superior to Thomas...
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Can't agree with RBP on that selection. Don't think Sherratt will want to mess with his centre pairing at this stage so I think either Joe or Hathaway to the wing. You ask why change Tomos Williams - well perhaps because he has been awful in the past two games and hardly set the world alight before.

Rhodri is a better passer & kicker so would get the nod from me. I have no idea who will get the nod at tight head but I would suggest Assiratti. I would start Lake - he is fit so start him. Wales need to start this game firing not find themselves out of it after 30 minutes. I would also have Edwards on the bench. Anscombe for unfortunately injuries and age have caught up with him. Finally I have my doubts about Reffell on the bench. England's back row are very direct & powerful. I would go with some size - Thomas of Gloucester or Plumtree.



I'm sure your right on the 'Cardiff' 8-13...might be tempted to start Jarrod before Anscombe perhaps.

Joe is too useful as wing/centre cover so the door is open for Josh Adams I suspect.

I would look to bring Teddy in for Rowlands, but there's a grunt issue there for sure.

Refell hasn't shone, so it could be Wainwright to 6/Jac 7.




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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Can't agree with RBP on that selection. Don't think Sherratt will want to mess with his centre pairing at this stage so I think either Joe or Hathaway to the wing. You ask why change Tomos Williams - well perhaps because he has been awful in the past two games and hardly set the world alight before.

Rhodri is a better passer & kicker so would get the nod from me. I have no idea who will get the nod at tight head but I would suggest Assiratti. I would start Lake - he is fit so start him. Wales need to start this game firing not find themselves out of it after 30 minutes. I would also have Edwards on the bench. Anscombe for unfortunately injuries and age have caught up with him. Finally I have my doubts about Reffell on the bench. England's back row are very direct & powerful. I would go with some size - Thomas of Gloucester or Plumtree.



I'm sure your right on the 'Cardiff' 8-13...might be tempted to start Jarrod before Anscombe perhaps.

Joe is too useful as wing/centre cover so the door is open for Josh Adams I suspect.

I would look to bring Teddy in for Rowlands, but there's a grunt issue there for sure.

Refell hasn't shone, so it could be Wainwright to 6/Jac 7.





Adams been released with Rogers so a rethink is necessary. 
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Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

England are on a high ( yuk ) and I don't have a good feeling about the game.

Hope I'm wrong though.


Yesterday Jamie Centurion George said the match this Saturday is like Wales’s World Cup Final.

They’re definitely on a high. It’s one that comes from being deserved winners of one match and that was against Italy with the dubious half-time oranges as Wil alluded to. The other two matches were donated by France and the multiple messed up try scoring chances plus Fin Russell’s 0 from 3 off the tee. Had his last one been from the correct spot, it would have gone through the posts.

Let them be on a high built on less than compelling evidence.

Let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill.


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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Can't agree with RBP on that selection. Don't think Sherratt will want to mess with his centre pairing at this stage so I think either Joe or Hathaway to the wing. You ask why change Tomos Williams - well perhaps because he has been awful in the past two games and hardly set the world alight before.

Rhodri is a better passer & kicker so would get the nod from me. I have no idea who will get the nod at tight head but I would suggest Assiratti. I would start Lake - he is fit so start him. Wales need to start this game firing not find themselves out of it after 30 minutes. I would also have Edwards on the bench. Anscombe for unfortunately injuries and age have caught up with him. Finally I have my doubts about Reffell on the bench. England's back row are very direct & powerful. I would go with some size - Thomas of Gloucester or Plumtree.
GPR I’m going for lie down second day in row I agree with you though I would put our centres, and play Hathaway on one wing llewellyn on other and put Mee at full back Blair on bench to cover all positions apart from 9 in backs but if centre goes down Llewellyn moves inside and Blair on wing.
They are going to kick the crap out of the ball in the first twenty so we need big back three. Blair to come on last twenty to run rings around ponderous big backs. 


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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Can't agree with RBP on that selection. Don't think Sherratt will want to mess with his centre pairing at this stage so I think either Joe or Hathaway to the wing. You ask why change Tomos Williams - well perhaps because he has been awful in the past two games and hardly set the world alight before.

Rhodri is a better passer & kicker so would get the nod from me. I have no idea who will get the nod at tight head but I would suggest Assiratti. I would start Lake - he is fit so start him. Wales need to start this game firing not find themselves out of it after 30 minutes. I would also have Edwards on the bench. Anscombe for unfortunately injuries and age have caught up with him. Finally I have my doubts about Reffell on the bench. England's back row are very direct & powerful. I would go with some size - Thomas of Gloucester or Plumtree.

All good points. Joe has a great game, and on the wing too… I think we can go at England around the 13 channel with their chopping and changing at centre. But I agree I can see a straight switch of Hathaway for Tom. My worry their is Hathaway is also smallish and not great in defense so that would be two in the back 3 - Llewellyn would give some height on the opposite wing to Mee forcing England to kick down the middle instead which opens the field up for Blair. 

I want Jarrod to start so regardless of Tomos’s performances I honestly don’t see that playing Rhodri from the off is gonna dramatically improve things all told. But that’s just MHO. 

Rationale with Dee is that Lake is not gonna be fully fit as he’s still barely played and we know England are going to come with power late on. Also we need to secure possession early on. Of lake fluffs some early lineouts were screwed. 

Agree about Edwards on the bench (I’d forgotten him!). Although Anscombe’s experience late on could be useful. Very young backline otherwise. 

Reffell’s in there because if we lost Jac we’d have no breakdown presence and we need a 7 at all times. I considered both your options instead of Rowlands but his grunt could be useful and Teddy Williams can drop to six and wainwright to 8. 
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There aren't too many changes needed from the last game.

Rogers is injured so a wing is needed - Joe did well there, can kick off his left foot and is pretty fast, so I'd keep him rather than ship Llewellyn out - can he kick? 

Half-backs: surely, Jarrod deserves to start and FWIW I'd have Edwards on the bench. 9 is difficult... not much to choose between them overall but maybe Tomos W doesn't deserve to start after mediocre performances. 

There were very few scrums v Scotland and the ref seemed disinclined to reward Wales - the Scots wheeled under pressure, but the ref often went for resets rather than pens. I'd go with whoever Adam Jones fancies at prop!

Hooker - Dee to start (match fit, better thrower) and Lake off bench for impact.

Second row - Jenkins plus one other

Back row - Wainwright, Morgan, Faletau - not convinced by Reffell (has he won any turnovers so far this 6N?) so I'd pick a big player for the bench here. 

Don't know who is reffing, but as so often interpretations of the scrum and breakdown could make a difference if it's close. 
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