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Elias had a really good game, possibly his best in a Welsh shirt.

Rowlands was immense too, 27 tackles & none missed.
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Costelow made 8 tackles (1 missed) in 13 minutes! Against Fiji!
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Challenge for selection vs Portugal now will be getting the balance between not underestimating our opposition, whilst also recognising the possible need to rest some key players, as starting some of them in every game at this level will be risky. I would probably look to start Costelow as I think his attacking flair will help us in this game, and to give Biggar a breather, as his experience will be vital for the Australia match. Can also see Dyer coming in for Adams, and a little bit (but hopefully not too much) rotation in the forwards.
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I want us to be completely ruthless & put Portugal to the sword like Ireland did with Romania. We never really hammer a team like other nations do. 
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Apologies for getting ahead of myself, but just thinking to the Australia game for a moment, I would be considering starting Halfpenny at full back. Biggar missed a couple of kicks yesterday, and in what could be a tight game, I think we need as reliable a boot as possible.
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Originally posted by N14 N14 wrote:

Apologies for getting ahead of myself, but just thinking to the Australia game for a moment, I would be considering starting Halfpenny at full back. Biggar missed a couple of kicks yesterday, and in what could be a tight game, I think we need as reliable a boot as possible.
not a bad shout and he has a longer range
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Liam Williams was very poor for me, kicked out on the full & not kicking the ball out on the last play in the first half. 
keot trying to be pally pally with the fijiams ,   Not a fan of that tbh
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Liam Williams was very poor for me, kicked out on the full & not kicking the ball out on the last play in the first half. 
keot trying to be pally pally with the fijiams ,   Not a fan of that tbh

Agreed & why he jumped on the back of the Fijian & patted his head I'll never know.
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Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

I thought Gareth Thomas had a great game last night 

Domachowski needs a proper bollocking as his stupidity nearly proved fatal. I'd be tempted to pick Smith and Henry Thomas on the bench for the next big game.

Lots of criticism for the ref from bitter English and Irish fans who just can't bear to see wales win makes the victory all that more sweeter.

Tompkins was the pick of the backs and it was nice to see us try to play with a bit of width 

Wales will only get better as the tournament goes on. So we'll done to them.

And fair play to Fiji too, never gave up until the final whistle. Best game of the RWC so far

Spot on Jeremy! 
I want know WHY Domachowski and Lewis were playing  at all.
Both are suspect scrummagers, and so it proved.
Surely Smith and Henry Thomas to start v Portugal,  and maybe then on bench v the Aussies. 
Also, having watched the game back with a 'cool head'LOL, I am shocked at the crazy way we let the Fijiand back in to the game, when we were in control, on 65 mins.
Gats will want a word about those decisions. 
It's the same, after the first 10 mins , we become loose, kick infield , giving the dangerous  Fiji backs a chance to counter from open play. 
Aussies will be more clinical and cane us.
The studio panel, of Jamie Roberts,  Sam Warburton,  an Gareth  (bungalow) Thomas, agreed that Wales did well when sticking to the game plan, but when they diverted from that and got loose, things began to unravel
This of coursexwas rich from bungalow Thomas , whose own side diverted from the game plan, were sacked into a loose game with Fiji in 2007, and we know the result. 
This meant of course that Gareth Jenkins was sacked in the car Par by  slimy Roger Lewis, and humiliated. 
Thanks Gareth, but we do'nt need your advice.
Why is he used as a pundit..God knows!

Anyway, in the end, a great win for Wales, who showed tremendous guts and resilience,  and they will improve. 
Onwards  and upwards! 
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Liam Williams was very poor for me, kicked out on the full & not kicking the ball out on the last play in the first half. 
keot trying to be pally pally with the fijiams ,   Not a fan of that tbh

Agreed & why he jumped on the back of the Fijian & patted his head I'll never know.
I took it completely as a wind up looking for a reaction. Deserved a penalty.The Fijian was looking and mentally saying’what the eff is he doing’!He was doing a bit of that false matey stuff but at least contained his habitual’ afters’ . 
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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

I thought Gareth Thomas had a great game last night 

Domachowski needs a proper bollocking as his stupidity nearly proved fatal. I'd be tempted to pick Smith and Henry Thomas on the bench for the next big game.

Lots of criticism for the ref from bitter English and Irish fans who just can't bear to see wales win makes the victory all that more sweeter.

Tompkins was the pick of the backs and it was nice to see us try to play with a bit of width 

Wales will only get better as the tournament goes on. So we'll done to them.

And fair play to Fiji too, never gave up until the final whistle. Best game of the RWC so far

Spot on Jeremy! 
I want know WHY Domachowski and Lewis were playing  at all.
Both are suspect scrummagers, and so it proved.
Surely Smith and Henry Thomas to start v Portugal,  and maybe then on bench v the Aussies. 
Also, having watched the game back with a 'cool head'LOL, I am shocked at the crazy way we let the Fijiand back in to the game, when we were in control, on 65 mins.
Gats will want a word about those decisions. 
It's the same, after the first 10 mins , we become loose, kick infield , giving the dangerous  Fiji backs a chance to counter from open play. 
Aussies will be more clinical and cane us.
The studio panel, of Jamie Roberts,  Sam Warburton,  an Gareth  (bungalow) Thomas, agreed that Wales did well when sticking to the game plan, but when they diverted from that and got loose, things began to unravel
This of coursexwas rich from bungalow Thomas , whose own side diverted from the game plan, were sacked into a loose game with Fiji in 2007, and we know the result. 
This meant of course that Gareth Jenkins was sacked in the car Par by  slimy Roger Lewis, and humiliated. 
Thanks Gareth, but we do'nt need your advice.
Why is he used as a pundit..God knows!

Anyway, in the end, a great win for Wales, who showed tremendous guts and resilience,  and they will improve. 
Onwards  and upwards! 
Totally agree re Alfy as a pundit. Mind you he’s worse on the awful 6 Nations show with Gabby Logan- well OTT. Stopped watching it 
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

I thought Gareth Thomas had a great game last night 

Domachowski needs a proper bollocking as his stupidity nearly proved fatal. I'd be tempted to pick Smith and Henry Thomas on the bench for the next big game.

Lots of criticism for the ref from bitter English and Irish fans who just can't bear to see wales win makes the victory all that more sweeter.

Tompkins was the pick of the backs and it was nice to see us try to play with a bit of width 

Wales will only get better as the tournament goes on. So we'll done to them.

And fair play to Fiji too, never gave up until the final whistle. Best game of the RWC so far

Spot on Jeremy! 
I want know WHY Domachowski and Lewis were playing  at all.
Both are suspect scrummagers, and so it proved.
Surely Smith and Henry Thomas to start v Portugal,  and maybe then on bench v the Aussies. 
Also, having watched the game back with a 'cool head'LOL, I am shocked at the crazy way we let the Fijiand back in to the game, when we were in control, on 65 mins.
Gats will want a word about those decisions. 
It's the same, after the first 10 mins , we become loose, kick infield , giving the dangerous  Fiji backs a chance to counter from open play. 
Aussies will be more clinical and cane us.
The studio panel, of Jamie Roberts,  Sam Warburton,  an Gareth  (bungalow) Thomas, agreed that Wales did well when sticking to the game plan, but when they diverted from that and got loose, things began to unravel
This of coursexwas rich from bungalow Thomas , whose own side diverted from the game plan, were sacked into a loose game with Fiji in 2007, and we know the result. 
This meant of course that Gareth Jenkins was sacked in the car Par by  slimy Roger Lewis, and humiliated. 
Thanks Gareth, but we do'nt need your advice.
Why is he used as a pundit..God knows!

Anyway, in the end, a great win for Wales, who showed tremendous guts and resilience,  and they will improve. 
Onwards  and upwards! 
Totally agree re Alfy as a pundit. Mind you he’s worse on the awful 6 Nations show with Gabby Logan- well OTT. Stopped watching it 

Alfy is a horrendous pundit, males my skin crawl at times 
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Plenty to agree with and some points of difference...

I though Sanjay had a decent game overall - true, that missed touch was a bad one, and he was a bit silly at times.
Both sets of centres were much better in attack than in defence!
I didn't think Biggar had a good game, for him - and his goal kicking was worse than usual. He seemed to spend more effort shouting than taking good decisions.
Cawdor was his usual combative self - positive performance overall, especially when compared to Tomos W and his awful skied box kick.

Front row did well - all of them - and Rowlands. Beard caught a couple of high balls (I say no more about his contribution except his bulk may have been a plus in the scrums...). Back row struggled a bit...maybe Wainwright was the best of them except for missing that tackle. Morgan has a future at 10!

Subs no time to do much - Domachowski really stupid error. Dee took the try well. Reffell put in a couple of good hits.

The comments in other forums were pathetic - hardly anyone praised a superb game of rugby - the best of the tournament so far. Around 90% (or so it seemed) were only interested in having a pop at the ref for not waving more YCs earlier - at Wales (of course). Even if they had half a point - and they may have had - it was impossible not to sense that basically it was sour grapes from England 'supporters' who lost recently to Fiji, and sheer unpleasant hostility to the Wales team from most of the rest. Sickening. Do they watch rugby at all, outside the RWC? They sounded more like football 'fans'...


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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Agree with some of that GPR. Tompkins influential in 5 tries ( 3 for Wales and 2 for Fiji). He missed 6 tackles but so would a few others when up against that Fiji midfield. Did more than enough to ensure he starts v Australia.

I’m sorry to not share your thoughts on Beard. Daf Jenkins in a 15 minute cameo was far better. Beard had the lowest tackle count of any forward and was the only one not to carry at all. Daf to start for me.

The defensive shift by Wainwright, Rowlands and Morgan and a very impressive Gareth Thomas ( 23 tackles by a prop ) with Daf J and Reffel coming off the bench was impressive. Taulupe unsurprisingly not his most impactful.

Fiji made 70 tackles versus Wales’ 248.
Strange to think that Wales were cruising 32-14 on or around the hour mark when you see that. Fiji had gone down to 14 and looked spent when Dee went over from a driving maul.
Wales then, almost inevitably, brought Fiji back in to the game with a string of unforced and silly plays. I doubt Gatland would have been chuffed.

However 5 points is mission accomplished against a tough Fiji outfit. Next weeks game for then v Aus will be a belter.

Daf did impress for sure but Beard set the tone for an organised start by Wales will a superb collection of the kick off & some good lineout work which kept Wales in control. On the subject of lineout well done to Ryan who gave a very assured performance in an area Wales have often struggled. Back to Beard - Etzebeth he will never be but against a back drop of poor performances he did show up last night.

On the subject of statistics did anyone notice the pack weights over the weekend. South Africa as you would expect 925 kgs, Wales & Fiji well matched at around 920 but wait for it Australia came in at a staggering 960 kgs. This guy Angus Bell at loose head is a carrying machine - they will ask some serious questions of the Fijian forwards.

A final thought - boy how much did Fiji miss Caleb Muntz their new young 10. Their current goal kickers are not going to win them any games. 
I said it last night Beard didn’t look that bad compared to recent form but he was starting at a low base. A good take at the KO and he used himself more in line outs near their line which he usually ducks. Those are his basic job however he offers nothing around the park and last night our maul actually improved when he went off. Osprey fans and fans of Beard always point this out as his big strength well last night it wasn’t. 
However he is not good enough for international rugby compare him to Rowlands, now our most important player must be wrapped up in cotton wool for Aussie game, he was immense last night and Daf Jenkins is an athlete 13 tackles in 15 minutes I know Fiji were pressing for that time but he gets around the park like a 7.
So yes an improvement but he was very average at best. 


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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Agree with some of that GPR. Tompkins influential in 5 tries ( 3 for Wales and 2 for Fiji). He missed 6 tackles but so would a few others when up against that Fiji midfield. Did more than enough to ensure he starts v Australia.

I’m sorry to not share your thoughts on Beard. Daf Jenkins in a 15 minute cameo was far better. Beard had the lowest tackle count of any forward and was the only one not to carry at all. Daf to start for me.

The defensive shift by Wainwright, Rowlands and Morgan and a very impressive Gareth Thomas ( 23 tackles by a prop ) with Daf J and Reffel coming off the bench was impressive. Taulupe unsurprisingly not his most impactful.

Fiji made 70 tackles versus Wales’ 248.
Strange to think that Wales were cruising 32-14 on or around the hour mark when you see that. Fiji had gone down to 14 and looked spent when Dee went over from a driving maul.
Wales then, almost inevitably, brought Fiji back in to the game with a string of unforced and silly plays. I doubt Gatland would have been chuffed.

However 5 points is mission accomplished against a tough Fiji outfit. Next weeks game for then v Aus will be a belter.

Daf did impress for sure but Beard set the tone for an organised start by Wales will a superb collection of the kick off & some good lineout work which kept Wales in control. On the subject of lineout well done to Ryan who gave a very assured performance in an area Wales have often struggled. Back to Beard - Etzebeth he will never be but against a back drop of poor performances he did show up last night.

On the subject of statistics did anyone notice the pack weights over the weekend. South Africa as you would expect 925 kgs, Wales & Fiji well matched at around 920 but wait for it Australia came in at a staggering 960 kgs. This guy Angus Bell at loose head is a carrying machine - they will ask some serious questions of the Fijian forwards.

A final thought - boy how much did Fiji miss Caleb Muntz their new young 10. Their current goal kickers are not going to win them any games. 
I said it last night Beard didn’t look that bad compared to recent form but he was starting at a low base. A good take at the KO and he used himself more in line outs near their line which he usually ducks. Those are his basic job however he offers nothing around the park and last night our maul actually improved when he went off. Osprey fans and fans of Beard always point this out as his big strength well last night it wasn’t. 
However he is not good enough for international rugby compare him to Rowlands, now our most important player must be wrapped up in cotton wool for Aussie game, he was immense last night and Daf Jenkins is an athlete 13 tackles in 15 minutes I know Fiji were pressing for that time but he gets around the park like a 7.
So yes an improvement but he was very average at best. 



Quite. After Beard's awful performance in the last 'friendly' game, I would not even have had him in the squad. He is nowhere near what a test second row should be.


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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

I thought Gareth Thomas had a great game last night 

Domachowski needs a proper bollocking as his stupidity nearly proved fatal. I'd be tempted to pick Smith and Henry Thomas on the bench for the next big game.

Lots of criticism for the ref from bitter English and Irish fans who just can't bear to see wales win makes the victory all that more sweeter.

Tompkins was the pick of the backs and it was nice to see us try to play with a bit of width 

Wales will only get better as the tournament goes on. So we'll done to them.

And fair play to Fiji too, never gave up until the final whistle. Best game of the RWC so far

Spot on Jeremy! 
I want know WHY Domachowski and Lewis were playing  at all.
Both are suspect scrummagers, and so it proved.
Surely Smith and Henry Thomas to start v Portugal,  and maybe then on bench v the Aussies. 
Also, having watched the game back with a 'cool head'LOL, I am shocked at the crazy way we let the Fijiand back in to the game, when we were in control, on 65 mins.
Gats will want a word about those decisions. 
It's the same, after the first 10 mins , we become loose, kick infield , giving the dangerous  Fiji backs a chance to counter from open play. 
Aussies will be more clinical and cane us.
The studio panel, of Jamie Roberts,  Sam Warburton,  an Gareth  (bungalow) Thomas, agreed that Wales did well when sticking to the game plan, but when they diverted from that and got loose, things began to unravel
This of coursexwas rich from bungalow Thomas , whose own side diverted from the game plan, were sacked into a loose game with Fiji in 2007, and we know the result. 
This meant of course that Gareth Jenkins was sacked in the car Par by  slimy Roger Lewis, and humiliated. 
Thanks Gareth, but we do'nt need your advice.
Why is he used as a pundit..God knows!

Anyway, in the end, a great win for Wales, who showed tremendous guts and resilience,  and they will improve. 
Onwards  and upwards! 

Going to bungalow thomas on advice how to beat the fijians is akin to asking frank bruno how to beat mike tyson. The nerve of the man to act as some kind of guru , he is clueless. Hes also a despicable human being
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