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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Plenty to agree with and some points of difference...

I though Sanjay had a decent game overall - true, that missed touch was a bad one, and he was a bit silly at times.
Both sets of centres were much better in attack than in defence!
I didn't think Biggar had a good game, for him - and his goal kicking was worse than usual. He seemed to spend more effort shouting than taking good decisions.
Cawdor was his usual combative self - positive performance overall, especially when compared to Tomos W and his awful skied box kick.

Front row did well - all of them - and Rowlands. Beard caught a couple of high balls (I say no more about his contribution except his bulk may have been a plus in the scrums...). Back row struggled a bit...maybe Wainwright was the best of them except for missing that tackle. Morgan has a future at 10!

Subs no time to do much - Domachowski really stupid error. Dee took the try well. Reffell put in a couple of good hits.

The comments in other forums were pathetic - hardly anyone praised a superb game of rugby - the best of the tournament so far. Around 90% (or so it seemed) were only interested in having a pop at the ref for not waving more YCs earlier - at Wales (of course). Even if they had half a point - and they may have had - it was impossible not to sense that basically it was sour grapes from England 'supporters' who lost recently to Fiji, and sheer unpleasant hostility to the Wales team from most of the rest. Sickening. Do they watch rugby at all, outside the RWC? They sounded more like football 'fans'...

I have to laugh at the irony here, the ref and both AR's were ......... English
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Looking back and putting all the refereeing arguments to one side. what a game. Agonising for both Welsh and Fijian supporters at different times. Two teams who gave everything on the field and shared eight tries in a furious and absorbing contest. This game set the tournament alight. Everything else highlights the different agendas people may hold (yes, I am aware of the irony). 

Wales can move forward to the next game with optimism. Fiji and Australia are set for another epic encounter. Good luck to both.
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Best game of rugby yet. Really entertaining. Sanjay, north and tompkins poor. Both centres were like revolving doors in defence. The fijians only needed to sneeze and they were passed them. Tompkins had 2 good passes in the game and north 2 good runs. Wingers and half backs were v good. Front row great, rowlands awsome, beard a walking liability. He was good in the lineout but nothing else. Backrow, especially faletau struggled.

Replacement props a laughing stock. Dee did well in the loose. Jenkins was solid as was reffell but lacked bulk.

Tomos was shocking, costello had no go forward ball but tackled well. Dyer had no chance.
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An exciting start to the tournament. A short turnaround until the next game and I’d select the team based on resting important players (Elias, Rowlands, Wainwright, Morgan, Biggar, and North) and giving players coming back from injury game time (Faletau, Anscombe, and Johnny Williams). I think based on some of the performances on Sunday players like Nicky Smith, Henry Thomas, and Christ Tshiunza deserve a chance to earn a spot in the 23. I think Dafydd Jenkins should be starting the Australia game which means Beard starting Saturday with Jenkins on the bench as he’s only just come back from injury himself so wouldn’t want to risk him for too long. My team would look like this:

  1. Nicky Smith
  2. Dewi Lake
  3. Henry Thomas
  4. Christ Tshiunza
  5. Adam Beard
  6. Taine Basham
  7. Tommy Reffell
  8. Taulupe Faletau
  9. Tomos Williams
  10. Gareth Anscombe
  11. Rio Dyer
  12. Johnny Williams
  13. Mason Grady
  14. Louis Rees Zammit
  15. Leigh Halfpenny


  1. Elliott Dee
  2. Corey Domachowski
  3. Dillon Lewis
  4. Dafydd Jenkins
  5. Dan Lydiate
  6. Gareth Davies
  7. Sam Costellow
  8. Josh Adams
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Originally posted by ndavies198 ndavies198 wrote:

An exciting start to the tournament. A short turnaround until the next game and I’d select the team based on resting important players (Elias, Rowlands, Wainwright, Morgan, Biggar, and North) and giving players coming back from injury game time (Faletau, Anscombe, and Johnny Williams). I think based on some of the performances on Sunday players like Nicky Smith, Henry Thomas, and Christ Tshiunza deserve a chance to earn a spot in the 23. I think Dafydd Jenkins should be starting the Australia game which means Beard starting Saturday with Jenkins on the bench as he’s only just come back from injury himself so wouldn’t want to risk him for too long. My team would look like this:

  1. Nicky Smith
  2. Dewi Lake
  3. Henry Thomas
  4. Christ Tshiunza
  5. Adam Beard
  6. Taine Basham
  7. Tommy Reffell
  8. Taulupe Faletau
  9. Tomos Williams
  10. Gareth Anscombe
  11. Rio Dyer
  12. Johnny Williams
  13. Mason Grady
  14. Louis Rees Zammit
  15. Leigh Halfpenny


  1. Elliott Dee
  2. Corey Domachowski
  3. Dillon Lewis
  4. Dafydd Jenkins
  5. Dan Lydiate
  6. Gareth Davies
  7. Sam Costellow
  8. Josh Adams

Very close to my thinking - I posted a team on the BBC 'who would you pick?' site which only differed in hooker - but agree that Lake should start if fit (I'd put Dee in), 8 (but your idea of giving Faletau game time is a good one - I had Basham at 8 and Lydiate at 6). The only difference in the backs was that I'd protect LRZ and so started Sanjay on the wing.
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Why bungalow Thomas?

Would have thought that was obvious SA.."there's NOTHING on top"LOL
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by ndavies198 ndavies198 wrote:

An exciting start to the tournament. A short turnaround until the next game and I’d select the team based on resting important players (Elias, Rowlands, Wainwright, Morgan, Biggar, and North) and giving players coming back from injury game time (Faletau, Anscombe, and Johnny Williams). I think based on some of the performances on Sunday players like Nicky Smith, Henry Thomas, and Christ Tshiunza deserve a chance to earn a spot in the 23. I think Dafydd Jenkins should be starting the Australia game which means Beard starting Saturday with Jenkins on the bench as he’s only just come back from injury himself so wouldn’t want to risk him for too long. My team would look like this:

  1. Nicky Smith
  2. Dewi Lake
  3. Henry Thomas
  4. Christ Tshiunza
  5. Adam Beard
  6. Taine Basham
  7. Tommy Reffell
  8. Taulupe Faletau
  9. Tomos Williams
  10. Gareth Anscombe
  11. Rio Dyer
  12. Johnny Williams
  13. Mason Grady
  14. Louis Rees Zammit
  15. Leigh Halfpenny


  1. Elliott Dee
  2. Corey Domachowski
  3. Dillon Lewis
  4. Dafydd Jenkins
  5. Dan Lydiate
  6. Gareth Davies
  7. Sam Costellow
  8. Josh Adams

Very close to my thinking - I posted a team on the BBC 'who would you pick?' site which only differed in hooker - but agree that Lake should start if fit (I'd put Dee in), 8 (but your idea of giving Faletau game time is a good one - I had Basham at 8 and Lydiate at 6). The only difference in the backs was that I'd protect LRZ and so started Sanjay on the wing.

Agree with the above, and pretty much the team I would be picking,in line with Aberfan
I reckon its essential that Smith and Henry Thomas get a chance to show their worth.
we certainly need other options to Domachowski and Lewis for Aussies (even off bench).
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by ndavies198 ndavies198 wrote:

An exciting start to the tournament. A short turnaround until the next game and I’d select the team based on resting important players (Elias, Rowlands, Wainwright, Morgan, Biggar, and North) and giving players coming back from injury game time (Faletau, Anscombe, and Johnny Williams). I think based on some of the performances on Sunday players like Nicky Smith, Henry Thomas, and Christ Tshiunza deserve a chance to earn a spot in the 23. I think Dafydd Jenkins should be starting the Australia game which means Beard starting Saturday with Jenkins on the bench as he’s only just come back from injury himself so wouldn’t want to risk him for too long. My team would look like this:

  1. Nicky Smith
  2. Dewi Lake
  3. Henry Thomas
  4. Christ Tshiunza
  5. Adam Beard
  6. Taine Basham
  7. Tommy Reffell
  8. Taulupe Faletau
  9. Tomos Williams
  10. Gareth Anscombe
  11. Rio Dyer
  12. Johnny Williams
  13. Mason Grady
  14. Louis Rees Zammit
  15. Leigh Halfpenny


  1. Elliott Dee
  2. Corey Domachowski
  3. Dillon Lewis
  4. Dafydd Jenkins
  5. Dan Lydiate
  6. Gareth Davies
  7. Sam Costellow
  8. Josh Adams

Very close to my thinking - I posted a team on the BBC 'who would you pick?' site which only differed in hooker - but agree that Lake should start if fit (I'd put Dee in), 8 (but your idea of giving Faletau game time is a good one - I had Basham at 8 and Lydiate at 6). The only difference in the backs was that I'd protect LRZ and so started Sanjay on the wing.

Id go with something like this apart from beard. no point playing him lets try the other locks
is anscomble fit now? If so itd be great to see him get a good hour under his belt
this is an ideal game to play everyone and rest a few first teamers a bit. though hard to do with just 2 scrum halves and no real specialist 8
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On the subject of cards I think frankly that the ex Irish players were making a very fair point. Generally tier one nations seem to get more lax treatment from referees. It just so happens that on this occasion it was Wales benefitting. 

All that players, supporters & commentators want is fairness & consistency across the board. Curry's tackle was worthy of a red card but so was the tackle on the Scottish No 8 which didn't even get penalised. That is what makes keyboard warriors spout utter nonsense. Of course some decisions are very borderline and you cannot blame officials for sometimes getting it wrong but the non red for Kriel was senseless. 
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I agree there GPR & I know the ref came in for a lot of stick but a large part of the blame has to go to the TMO who isn't picking it up half the time.
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It almost encourages football antics of players rolling around on the floor to ensure play is stopped/the TMO's attention is prompted.

Then there is the citing process as a safety net, which again seems to have missed/ignored the Kriel challenge.

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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

On the subject of cards I think frankly that the ex Irish players were making a very fair point. Generally tier one nations seem to get more lax treatment from referees. It just so happens that on this occasion it was Wales benefitting. 

All that players, supporters & commentators want is fairness & consistency across the board. Curry's tackle was worthy of a red card but so was the tackle on the Scottish No 8 which didn't even get penalised. That is what makes keyboard warriors spout utter nonsense. Of course some decisions are very borderline and you cannot blame officials for sometimes getting it wrong but the non red for Kriel was senseless. 

I didn't see/notice the Kriel incident in real time, and it wasn't replayed on French TV - but the consensus seems to be that he was very lucky indeed. 

In general, the moaners about Curry would do better to argue that others should have had a red, rather than make pathetic excuses for an essentially reckless and stupid tackle.
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Erasmus was confident that the initial tackle was on the ball on that the only head contact was a slight brush of the cheeks. Whitehouse seems to have made the same assessment and so has the citing commission. Why can't people accept the fact that referees actually know what they are doing.
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Originally posted by Tov Tov wrote:

Erasmus was confident that the initial tackle was on the ball on that the only head contact was a slight brush of the cheeks. Whitehouse seems to have made the same assessment and so has the citing commission. Why can't people accept the fact that referees actually know what they are doing.

Because they keep making silly mistakes!!!!!!! For your information even if it was minimal contact to the head it is still a penalty.
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If it wasn’t an offence then neither was Curry’s.
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