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Originally posted by Rob Hunt Rob Hunt wrote:

Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Morgan is no Captain. Biggar easily MOTM. Wales well worth their lead
Presumably MOTM stands for mouth of the match.
Jonathan Davies and Gwyn Jones were highly critical of Biggar mouthing off to all and sundry. 

Somebody has to as there wsa no captaincy visible.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ladram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 September 2023 at 6:58am
I would be tempted to play Zammitt at 15 Sanjay was shockingly bad(again)
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I have absolutely no problem with Biggar's actions. He & Cawdor are the generals who must get the gameplan implemented - North with 100+ caps should not need telling what to do in the moments before half time with Wales hanging on inside their 22. 

RR 1972 pre game suggested that our bench was pretty weak & so it proved. Once Cawdor & Biggar left so did our control. Tomos Williams was poor & really the only two players who came on who impressed me were Dee & Jenkins. The disparity in tackling stats tells the story & Welsh fitness certainly played a large part in that victory. 

Those on this forum who constantly criticise Beard will I hope give him some credit for a decent showing. In that spirit I will also eat some humble pie & praise Tompkins, not my favourite selection, but he found some end results last night with some telling moments - well done. 

Wales were never going to win this World cup & were in severe danger of not getting out of the pool so well done to all involved - barring a calamity - we are in with a good chance of a quarter final.
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Tompkins is not my favourite player but yesterday he did a superb game, a great game as second play..
Rowlands e Morgan in their best but all the team played well, no one can wait a game like this from Wales.
Gatland found the best strategy against a fantasti team like this Fiji..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 September 2023 at 7:37am
Agree with some of that GPR. Tompkins influential in 5 tries ( 3 for Wales and 2 for Fiji). He missed 6 tackles but so would a few others when up against that Fiji midfield. Did more than enough to ensure he starts v Australia.

I’m sorry to not share your thoughts on Beard. Daf Jenkins in a 15 minute cameo was far better. Beard had the lowest tackle count of any forward and was the only one not to carry at all. Daf to start for me.

The defensive shift by Wainwright, Rowlands and Morgan and a very impressive Gareth Thomas ( 23 tackles by a prop ) with Daf J and Reffel coming off the bench was impressive. Taulupe unsurprisingly not his most impactful.

Fiji made 70 tackles versus Wales’ 248.
Strange to think that Wales were cruising 32-14 on or around the hour mark when you see that. Fiji had gone down to 14 and looked spent when Dee went over from a driving maul.
Wales then, almost inevitably, brought Fiji back in to the game with a string of unforced and silly plays. I doubt Gatland would have been chuffed.

However 5 points is mission accomplished against a tough Fiji outfit. Next weeks game for then v Aus will be a belter.
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I see that Ben Whitehouse as TMO has come under fire again(no surprise there then) i hope that this world cup will not be determined by a lack of consistency by officials Fiji were battering our line and we gave 3 pens on the bounce ref warned Jac we go up the other end and Fiji gave a penalty which resulted in a yellow card you have to feel sorry for them.
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Liam Williams was very poor for me, kicked out on the full & not kicking the ball out on the last play in the first half. 
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Agree with some of that GPR. Tompkins influential in 5 tries ( 3 for Wales and 2 for Fiji). He missed 6 tackles but so would a few others when up against that Fiji midfield. Did more than enough to ensure he starts v Australia.

I’m sorry to not share your thoughts on Beard. Daf Jenkins in a 15 minute cameo was far better. Beard had the lowest tackle count of any forward and was the only one not to carry at all. Daf to start for me.

The defensive shift by Wainwright, Rowlands and Morgan and a very impressive Gareth Thomas ( 23 tackles by a prop ) with Daf J and Reffel coming off the bench was impressive. Taulupe unsurprisingly not his most impactful.

Fiji made 70 tackles versus Wales’ 248.
Strange to think that Wales were cruising 32-14 on or around the hour mark when you see that. Fiji had gone down to 14 and looked spent when Dee went over from a driving maul.
Wales then, almost inevitably, brought Fiji back in to the game with a string of unforced and silly plays. I doubt Gatland would have been chuffed.

However 5 points is mission accomplished against a tough Fiji outfit. Next weeks game for then v Aus will be a belter.

Daf did impress for sure but Beard set the tone for an organised start by Wales will a superb collection of the kick off & some good lineout work which kept Wales in control. On the subject of lineout well done to Ryan who gave a very assured performance in an area Wales have often struggled. Back to Beard - Etzebeth he will never be but against a back drop of poor performances he did show up last night.

On the subject of statistics did anyone notice the pack weights over the weekend. South Africa as you would expect 925 kgs, Wales & Fiji well matched at around 920 but wait for it Australia came in at a staggering 960 kgs. This guy Angus Bell at loose head is a carrying machine - they will ask some serious questions of the Fijian forwards.

A final thought - boy how much did Fiji miss Caleb Muntz their new young 10. Their current goal kickers are not going to win them any games. 
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

I see that Ben Whitehouse as TMO has come under fire again(no surprise there then) i hope that this world cup will not be determined by a lack of consistency by officials Fiji were battering our line and we gave 3 pens on the bounce ref warned Jac we go up the other end and Fiji gave a penalty which resulted in a yellow card you have to feel sorry for them.


Fiji got a yellow card for pulling down a maul with forward momentum, a couple of yards further and it would have been a penalty try. Domachowski was carded after Wales were give a final warning for being offside on their own line.
Thought both of those were decent calls tbh.

Whitehouse missed a red card incident in the SA v Scotland game. Poor. Particularly when you consider Russell getting a yellow.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ladram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 September 2023 at 8:26am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

I see that Ben Whitehouse as TMO has come under fire again(no surprise there then) i hope that this world cup will not be determined by a lack of consistency by officials Fiji were battering our line and we gave 3 pens on the bounce ref warned Jac we go up the other end and Fiji gave a penalty which resulted in a yellow card you have to feel sorry for them.


Fiji got a yellow card for pulling down a maul with forward momentum, a couple of yards further and it would have been a penalty try. Domachowski was carded after Wales were give a final warning for being offside on their own line.
Thought both of those were decent calls tbh.

Whitehouse missed a red card incident in the SA v Scotland game. Poor. Particularly when you consider Russell getting a yellow.
Wasn't denying the validity of the 2 yellows i was referring to the lack of further yellows against Wales when they were battering us.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 September 2023 at 8:45am
The one thing I did think the ref messed up was he gave Fiji a penalty ( twice) when they had possession and momentum a few yards from the Welsh try line. I’d have been fuming.
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We won.  
The manner of the win was not pretty, nor was it particularly clever.
Fiji played very well, but we still had more points on the board at the end.
We won.  Breathe a big sigh of relief.
But thank goodness it's out of the way now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote John Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 September 2023 at 8:51am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

I see that Ben Whitehouse as TMO has come under fire again(no surprise there then) i hope that this world cup will not be determined by a lack of consistency by officials Fiji were battering our line and we gave 3 pens on the bounce ref warned Jac we go up the other end and Fiji gave a penalty which resulted in a yellow card you have to feel sorry for them.


Fiji got a yellow card for pulling down a maul with forward momentum, a couple of yards further and it would have been a penalty try. Domachowski was carded after Wales were give a final warning for being offside on their own line.
Thought both of those were decent calls tbh.

Whitehouse missed a red card incident in the SA v Scotland game. Poor. Particularly when you consider Russell getting a yellow.
Wasn't denying the validity of the 2 yellows i was referring to the lack of further yellows against Wales when they were battering us.

There might have been more yellows against Fiji as well and I wanted a playback of the early stages of a ruck near our line (I think the one where the Fijian was deemed to have made a double movement). Liam seemed to be temporarily unconscious- was he trampled on? 


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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

I see that Ben Whitehouse as TMO has come under fire again(no surprise there then) i hope that this world cup will not be determined by a lack of consistency by officials Fiji were battering our line and we gave 3 pens on the bounce ref warned Jac we go up the other end and Fiji gave a penalty which resulted in a yellow card you have to feel sorry for them.

Surprised that the inept reffing hasn’t been one of the main talking points. Wales got away with murder when Fiji were on our line. 
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Who would be a ref ? Damned if you do and damned if you don’t!  The game is so intensely monitored these days unlike the game of the past and I’m okay with cutting referees a bit of slack now and then . They are under intense pressure themselves and playing a game in intense heat. Their performance will be assessed and errors analysed. 
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I thought Gareth Thomas had a great game last night 

Domachowski needs a proper bollocking as his stupidity nearly proved fatal. I'd be tempted to pick Smith and Henry Thomas on the bench for the next big game.

Lots of criticism for the ref from bitter English and Irish fans who just can't bear to see wales win makes the victory all that more sweeter.

Tompkins was the pick of the backs and it was nice to see us try to play with a bit of width 

Wales will only get better as the tournament goes on. So we'll done to them.

And fair play to Fiji too, never gave up until the final whistle. Best game of the RWC so far
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