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Sorry about that GPR. hopefully i am miles off and Pivac can inspire us to a win. Ireland is the side i want to win more than any. their press has got so full of themselves running us down recently.
even prefer the english (well until the england game!).
i think if we had everyone fully fit we could run them very close. would have loved to have seen a fit and firing rob evs/samson/foxey/shingler/navidi and moriarty as well as botham in the mix.
its the bench i think we will miss out on, 
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Well form certainly hasn’t entered his head with those backs. North on the wing and Watkin it should be. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2021 at 1:41pm
I'm not optimistic - to many players either not in great form or returning from injury for my taste. I don't blame Pivac for selecting North at centre, though - our 'normal' centres have not been playing well - at least, North is on form and appears fully fit and powerful. SA14 has a point about Watkin though, if he is fit. J Williams hasn't shown much yet.

I'd also have had Jarrod Evans in there somewhere - two 'steady eddies' at 10 isn't going to change anything, however you shuffle them about.

The biggest surprise, for me, is that Jake isn't even in the 23 - Rowlands has shown nothing. Is it thought he is not fit enough? He's not done badly in his games back. 

And what about Rhodri Jones? He was so promising, got messed about with a daft switch to TH prop (Not his fault) - is he back playing well, or does that reflect the paucity of talent at LH (Rob Evans being injured)?

A comfortable win for Ireland, I fear.
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As most have said, I literally can’t see where or why we could get the upper hand.

Set piece? Line outs, scrum, mauls - nope
Jackle treats? Nope
Carrying? Nope
Aggressive defence? Nope
Creative half backs? Possibly even
Kicking game? Nope
Place kicking? That’s ours to be fair 
Midfield battle? Nope
Back 3? Hard to tell

The only way we’ll win is some genius tactics or genius bit of luck...
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

As most have said, I literally can’t see where or why we could get the upper hand.

Set piece? Line outs, scrum, mauls - nope
Jackle treats? Nope
Carrying? Nope
Aggressive defence? Nope
Creative half backs? Possibly even
Kicking game? Nope
Place kicking? That’s ours to be fair 
Midfield battle? Nope
Back 3? Hard to tell

The only way we’ll win is some genius tactics or genius bit of luck...


Yes your points are fair. It is of course a two horse race so anything can happen - early red card etc. This Irish team are not unknown to have patches of mediocrity which may well just let us in. Any win will do this Welsh squad & will build that precious momentum. Travelling to Edinburgh with a win under our belts will be a lot easier than going to try to break a losing sequence.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

I'm not optimistic - to many players either not in great form or returning from injury for my taste. I don't blame Pivac for selecting North at centre, though - our 'normal' centres have not been playing well - at least, North is on form and appears fully fit and powerful. SA14 has a point about Watkin though, if he is fit. J Williams hasn't shown much yet.

I'd also have had Jarrod Evans in there somewhere - two 'steady eddies' at 10 isn't going to change anything, however you shuffle them about.

The biggest surprise, for me, is that Jake isn't even in the 23 - Rowlands has shown nothing. Is it thought he is not fit enough? He's not done badly in his games back. 

And what about Rhodri Jones? He was so promising, got messed about with a daft switch to TH prop (Not his fault) - is he back playing well, or does that reflect the paucity of talent at LH (Rob Evans being injured)?

A comfortable win for Ireland, I fear.
Sheedy seems quite an exciting player, and Bristol’s backs have been playing some superb stuff (although having Redrada outside does make it easier!), so I wouldn’t call him a ‘steady eddie‘ personally. As for Jarrod his defence does seem rather suspect and Ireland certainly wouldn’t afford him the time and space that we did so I don’t mind that selection. Otherwise I’d agree with everything you said, especially the non-selection of Jake.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Maybe our starting front row can cause a bit of mayhem & disruption but I can't see past an Ireland win by 20 points.
I think it will be a one score game with Ireland's bench swinging it in their favour. The Welsh boys are really up for this one 
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lol this team selection LOL
 
Pivac is quite the lad isn't he?
 
Beard not in last squad now he;s starting, ball was the starting lock now he's not in the 23
 
Pivac spends weeks talking up evans then leaves him off the bench
 
We lose our 2 first choice wingers, so he decides to move the form winger in wales into the centre
 
Picks Tompkins on the bench who is right out of form and tbh dee has been poor this season
 
No way Tompkins and dee have been better than Roberts and parry/Phillips
 
 
Bizarre logic in his selections yet again  in all honesty
 
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Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

I'd also have had Jarrod Evans in there somewhere - two 'steady eddies' at 10 isn't going to change anything, however you shuffle them about.

A comfortable win for Ireland, I fear.
Sheedy seems quite an exciting player, and Bristol’s backs have been playing some superb stuff (although having Redrada outside does make it easier!), so I wouldn’t call him a ‘steady eddie‘ personally. 

As for Jarrod his defence does seem rather suspect and Ireland certainly wouldn’t afford him the time and space that we did so I don’t mind that selection. 

Playing in a dominant pack with some superb players outside, as you say.

However, I fail to see anything Sheedy did in the Autumn that warrants him a place on the bench above Jarrod Evans - who actually has the ability to make something from nothing.

Sheedy seems to run quite laterally. Some of his cross field kicks are nice but he’s no more of a threat with ball in hand than Biggar, and Biggar’s better with the boot.

Maybe Sheedy is a prospect but I’m waiting to see what others seem to see in him
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I’d say there are 4 or 5 players who need at the very least a good performance.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I’d say there are 4 or 5 players who need at the very least a good performance.

To win I'd say we need more like 13 or 14 to. Although I've never really thought about it before, how many players can have a bad game yet the team still win. Or the minimum number having a good game.
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That's got to be the most uninspiring Welsh selection since the days of Clive Rowlands at scrum half.  😖🙁😕
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I’d say there are 4 or 5 players who need at the very least a good performance.

To win I'd say we need more like 13 or 14 to. Although I've never really thought about it before, how many players can have a bad game yet the team still win. Or the minimum number having a good game.

Don't think Wil meant 4/5 playing well will give us victory more about selection justification I think. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I’d say there are 4 or 5 players who need at the very least a good performance.

To win I'd say we need more like 13 or 14 to. Although I've never really thought about it before, how many players can have a bad game yet the team still win. Or the minimum number having a good game.

Don't think Wil meant 4/5 playing well will give us victory more about selection justification I think. 

Ah I see, yes makes more sense. Winning would justify quite a few selections for me then. 
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

lol this team selection LOL
 
Pivac is quite the lad isn't he?
 
Beard not in last squad now he;s starting, ball was the starting lock now he's not in the 23
 
Pivac spends weeks talking up evans then leaves him off the bench
 
We lose our 2 first choice wingers, so he decides to move the form winger in wales into the centre
 
Picks Tompkins on the bench who is right out of form and tbh dee has been poor this season
 
No way Tompkins and dee have been better than Roberts and parry/Phillips
 
 
Bizarre logic in his selections yet again  in all honesty
 
Pivac tried his best to select Rhys Priestland ahead of Jarrod Evans but the PRB voted against it. It's quite clear he doesn't rate Evans that highly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ladram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2021 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

lol this team selection LOL
 
Pivac is quite the lad isn't he?
 
Beard not in last squad now he;s starting, ball was the starting lock now he's not in the 23
 
Pivac spends weeks talking up evans then leaves him off the bench
 
We lose our 2 first choice wingers, so he decides to move the form winger in wales into the centre
 
Picks Tompkins on the bench who is right out of form and tbh dee has been poor this season
 
No way Tompkins and dee have been better than Roberts and parry/Phillips
 
 
Bizarre logic in his selections yet again  in all honesty
 
Pivac tried his best to select Rhys Priestland ahead of Jarrod Evans but the PRB voted against it. It's quite clear he doesn't rate Evans that highly.
that's 2 of you then Wink whatever his issues are he is the most creative 10 we've seen this season in regional rugby,thank goodness parkes has moved on or pivac might have picked him at 10.LOL
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