Welsh labour?

What the heck have they done for wales since the inception of the WAG?

Edited by Sir Duckling Tuft - 03 February 2023 at 5:01pm

Well pointed out , often forgotten 

Sir Duckling Tuft wrote: What the heck have they done for wales since the inception of the WAG? They used to be a legendary party , redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor, creating the NHS etc  Now what do they do? What are the results of their policies? What have they achieved in 25 years? How do they get away with it without scrutiny? Drugs rife job centres shut Lowest GDP per head in UK Town centres fallen to pieces, excessive car parking fees. Yet free parking in out of town shopping zones where land is often gifted free to these massive retailers who then wipe out all the small shops. Why do they allow this? Rising council taxes Endless problems at GP practices No help for the industries NHS wales the worst its ever been, longest ever waiting lists Not even an A and E in Llanelli Roads an absolute disgrace, potholes everywhere, speed bumps too big in many cases and every 30 yards in many roads damaging cars and ironically the stop starting creates greater emissions  No support to sme's as rates rise and footfall collapses Our national sport the teams are bankrupt The lowest GDP per head in the whole of the UK Rapidly rising council license fees for business Few and fewer refuge collections Police stations closed ONLY 1 airport run by the govt where prices are so high as the WAG dont have a clue how to run an airport, no one uses it any goes to bristol or heathrow instead Old people neglected in care homes Endless public wasted money Public land sold cheap No proper road between north and south wales But we do have endless cycle paths, road works  Yipeee Before anyone distracts to oh the tories are worse. We all know that. My point is what the heck has the labour party done for wales They love gimmicks and identity politics and things that appear helpful on the surface but in reality their policies since the WAG opened have made our society worse..It really shouldnt be this hard to run such a small country efficiently We either need a new party for the masses or plaed to seriously get their act together and fight to help the silent working majority You failed to mention that we benefit from the HS2  project.(according to Westminster)  which the WAG have accepted and given up the fight on.

Edited by greypower1 - 03 February 2023 at 6:03pm

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Im glad to stoke up some debate tbh Im quite aware they destroyed wales the industries the communities, flooded the mines we could be here forever ...Nw this lot in westminster are finsihing the job

Milli wrote: I am old enough to realise Wales has gone to the dogs ever since the Tory Party came to power. We didnt have to wait three weeks to see a GP, we didnt have refuge bags being collected once a fortnight, Police stations being closed down, youth clubs shut, community centres closed down i could go on and on.  At the end of the day its Tory Austerity that has destroyed the fabric of society, not only in Wales, but across the UK

torys are useless however welsh labour been in power here for years helped make wales worse not better, drakeford one of the worst culprits

Sir Duckling Tuft wrote: What the heck have they done for wales since the inception of the WAG? They used to be a legendary party , redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor, creating the NHS etc  Now what do they do? What are the results of their policies? What have they achieved in 25 years? How do they get away with it without scrutiny? Drugs rife job centres shut Lowest GDP per head in UK Town centres fallen to pieces, excessive car parking fees. Yet free parking in out of town shopping zones where land is often gifted free to these massive retailers who then wipe out all the small shops. Why do they allow this? Rising council taxes Endless problems at GP practices No help for the industries NHS wales the worst its ever been, longest ever waiting lists Not even an A and E in Llanelli Roads an absolute disgrace, potholes everywhere, speed bumps too big in many cases and every 30 yards in many roads damaging cars and ironically the stop starting creates greater emissions  No support to sme's as rates rise and footfall collapses Our national sport the teams are bankrupt The lowest GDP per head in the whole of the UK Rapidly rising council license fees for business Few and fewer refuge collections Police stations closed ONLY 1 airport run by the govt where prices are so high as the WAG dont have a clue how to run an airport, no one uses it any goes to bristol or heathrow instead Old people neglected in care homes Endless public wasted money Public land sold cheap No proper road between north and south wales But we do have endless cycle paths, road works  Yipeee Before anyone distracts to oh the tories are worse. We all know that. My point is what the heck has the labour party done for wales They love gimmicks and identity politics and things that appear helpful on the surface but in reality their policies since the WAG opened have made our society worse..It really shouldnt be this hard to run such a small country efficiently We either need a new party for the masses or plaed to seriously get their act together and fight to help the silent working majority

scarletpimp wrote: Sir Duckling Tuft wrote: What the heck have they done for wales since the inception of the WAG? They used to be a legendary party , redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor, creating the NHS etc  Now what do they do? What are the results of their policies? What have they achieved in 25 years? How do they get away with it without scrutiny? Drugs rife job centres shut Lowest GDP per head in UK Town centres fallen to pieces, excessive car parking fees. Yet free parking in out of town shopping zones where land is often gifted free to these massive retailers who then wipe out all the small shops. Why do they allow this? Rising council taxes Endless problems at GP practices No help for the industries NHS wales the worst its ever been, longest ever waiting lists Not even an A and E in Llanelli Roads an absolute disgrace, potholes everywhere, speed bumps too big in many cases and every 30 yards in many roads damaging cars and ironically the stop starting creates greater emissions  No support to sme's as rates rise and footfall collapses Our national sport the teams are bankrupt The lowest GDP per head in the whole of the UK Rapidly rising council license fees for business Few and fewer refuge collections Police stations closed ONLY 1 airport run by the govt where prices are so high as the WAG dont have a clue how to run an airport, no one uses it any goes to bristol or heathrow instead Old people neglected in care homes Endless public wasted money Public land sold cheap No proper road between north and south wales But we do have endless cycle paths, road works  Yipeee Before anyone distracts to oh the tories are worse. We all know that. My point is what the heck has the labour party done for wales They love gimmicks and identity politics and things that appear helpful on the surface but in reality their policies since the WAG opened have made our society worse..It really shouldnt be this hard to run such a small country efficiently We either need a new party for the masses or plaed to seriously get their act together and fight to help the silent working majority sir duckling is justified to have a rant, although I have given up ranting , as I am now used to losing. The fabric of our society has changed, it is true..all WAG fault..lets examine . Drugs Rife - (its the same all over uk, if not the world) Job centres shut-(open in Llanelli) Lowest GDP inn UK- (just look at social deprivation caused by national government policy) Town centres-( out of town shopping ie Trostre the brainchild of local government..sadly ) Rising council tax( Carmarthenshire rise very small) Problems at GP surgeries ( problem complex, some fund holders, some run by health board, all affected by extra demand of ageing population in wales and under investment) No help with industries-(WAG has an active policy of assisting business in wales) NHS Wales worst its ever been(agreed , after 13 years of Tories) No A& E in Llanelli ( this decision was made by health board) Roads a disgrace ..etc-( do you realise Sir Duckling that Gorge Osborne slashed the rate support grant for local gov) National sport _( ( just have a hard look at WRU, and the mess they have made of governance) not finishing the endless list. Totalybiasedscarlet, has made the point eloquently, that WAG, clearly has made mistakes , things it can do better, but at the end of the day its budget is set by Westminster. Devolved health and education budgets are run by WAG, but there is only so much cake you can divide. Wales issues go back years to the closure of heavy industry, in wales , when we as an economy were totally dependent upon it. Thatcher saw to that. Nothing replaced, no jobs, no investment , no hope !Social deprivation pockets, some of the worst in Europe Little has changed, as inward investment in green tech , yet to happen !! UK gov said NO to the Swansea bay scheme, as just one example. What has replaced jobs and prosperity? Social deprivation, and an increasing reliance on benefits,. An ageing population, adversely affected by the above, now struggling with a high degree of ill health putting a huge pressure on the health service, both hospitals and GP surgeries. When WAG, and other devolved governments in Scot and NI, have their  budgets SLASHED by Cameron & Osborne, during austerity... What the hell do you expect ? This is on top ,as already mentioned, of local gov, having rate support grant slashed. Nothing much has changed under May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak. Apart from that the Barnett formula, on how devolved admiration receives its funding, has now clearly become not fit for purpose. Until Wales has a better way of ensuring that the challenges that have changed the face of this country, don't disadvantage it , NO GOVERNMENT of whatever political persuasion, stands a chance of really putting right the wrongs that affect a changing society , that is the Wales we see today. This is a country struggling to cope with the situation many of us find yourselves in. We need a clear vision for the future, and only national has the clout to do that , so great is the challenge . We need to harness the natural resources t here in wales,  build and renew energy for the future. We need to work with farmers to build a sustainable future and we need to support and invest in small business, that buy and employ local We need to improve our infrastructure, to ensure that inward investment is permanent , not fleeting. We need to ensure the current industries like steelmaking are supported in every way possible. These are some of the things that WAG can do, but only with the will and determination of nat gov. If much of the above does not happen, then the schism fault lines, already evident in UK unity will again be very much under scrutiny, and a " confederation of states", will possibly  be the future of the UK. We will wait and see.

 genuine q were we any better or worst off when laboyt was in charge? So long ago i cant remember tbh. I don’t think they reopened any mines when blair was in charge? Or nationalised the steel or rail industries? To me the senedd is a waste of time and the people there are pretty clueless be they labour tory or plaid. None of them seem up to much or have any thing impressive on their cvs. Just a load of ex social workers, councillors or civil servants.  Drakeford davies price are all rubbish they all want to take credit for anything good that happens in wales then anything that is bad they blame on westminster, it’s a cardiff centric waste of time. We either go full indy (not my pick but if the people vote for it so be it ) or abolish the senedd but this half way house thing is a waste of time

Edited by RR1972 - 09 February 2023 at 4:41pm