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    Posted: 22 September 2025 at 9:27am

This is assuming francis has retired from test rugby ? 
Also is kane james a possibility for 8?

15 Murray
14 josh
13 joe
12 johnny w
11 LRZ
10 Edwards
9 tomos
8 Wainwright
7 jack
6 Plumtree
5 Jenkins
4 Rowlands
3 thomas
2 lake
1 thomas
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Elias , n Smith, thomas/Jake ball, faletau/morse, morgan williams,
Hawkins , macs page

Hopefully some form players will emerge from the pack in next few weeks





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1st question Roy - who is Ben at 7; I assume you mean Jac Morgan? With today's news that Sherratt is attack coach fro Wales I think we will see a different set up to your selection based on getting the ball wide at every opportunity. The side I think they will select as opposed to the side I would select is :-

15. Murray 14. Adams (Rogers) 13. Llewelyn (Roberts) 12. Ben Thomas 11. Zammit 10 Edward 9. Tomos
1. Smith 2. Lake 3. Griffin (Henry Thomas) 4. Beard 5. Jenkins 6. Wainwright (Plumtree) 7. Morgan 8. Faletau.

16. Dee 17. Thomas 18. Assiratti (Griffin) 19. Rowlands 20. Josh Mcleod 21. Morgan-Williams 22. Costelow 23. Llewelyn.(Macs Page) 

I am no big fan of Ben Thomas but Sherratt is a fan so that combined with needing to get width I think will swing it. My selections are in brackets. Of course plenty of time for players to make their cases. I am very interested to see how Joe Hawkins settles into our backline. 

As for your question about Kane James I hope Tandy gets him into the squad & caps him because he is big talent. 
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If you were the opposition, would you be intimidated by that team? I can see most sides sadly seeing us as trial games and throwing lots of players into the mix with a simple game plan of not having too many uncontest kicks to our backline.

A few injuries before the 1st game and we are really going sruggle as the cupboard is quite bare.
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If you were the opposition, would you be intimidated by that team? I can see most sides sadly seeing us as trial games and throwing lots of players into the mix with a simple game plan of not having too many uncontest kicks to our backline.

A few injuries before the 1st game and we are really going sruggle as the cupboard is quite bare.
we are the weakest side in 6 nations, proably behind fiji to tbh
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Originally posted by steve evans steve evans wrote:

If you were the opposition, would you be intimidated by that team? I can see most sides sadly seeing us as trial games and throwing lots of players into the mix with a simple game plan of not having too many uncontest kicks to our backline.

A few injuries before the 1st game and we are really going sruggle as the cupboard is quite bare.
we are the weakest side in 6 nations, proably behind fiji to tbh

Our world ranking is no mistake. 
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The backs look like they may possibly have some potential...pack looks main concern.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

The backs look like they may possibly have some potential...pack looks main concern.
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15 Murray - lots of talent but remember when we put Shane at full back? Murray is an 3 cm taller
14 josh - no where near the form he had before
13 joe - right size but will probably lose out to the Cardiff All star Ben Thomas who can do nothing wrong
12 johnny w - Great if we can keep him fit.
11 LRZ - Intreresting comments from Pat Lam about LRZ finding his way back to rrugby - as if he lsot his skills
10 Edwards - not proven as yet 
9 tomos - great for Gloucester, average for us
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Originally posted by steve evans steve evans wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

The backs look like they may possibly have some potential...pack looks main concern.
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15 Murray - lots of talent but remember when we put Shane at full back? Murray is an 3 cm taller
14 josh - no where near the form he had before
13 joe - right size but will probably lose out to the Cardiff All star Ben Thomas who can do nothing wrong
12 johnny w - Great if we can keep him fit.
11 LRZ - Intreresting comments from Pat Lam about LRZ finding his way back to rrugby - as if he lsot his skills
10 Edwards - not proven as yet 
9 tomos - great for Gloucester, average for us




Murray has x factor & in broken field he is a match winner. For me Rogers is in pole position for one wing slot if he carries on his form from last season. Sherratt's appointment may mean Ben Thomas in at 12 - would not be my choice for sure. Joe's biggest challenge could be Llewelyn or from Macs Page if he again carries on his form. 

I hope Tandy realises that you can play rugby differently to Gatland. We do not possess a huge number of strong close quarter carriers so set piece efficiency is vital. Look how Henry Thomas transformed the Scarlets set piece. That along with efficient line out operators, good defence will at least keep us in games. From there we are a decent 10 from being competitive. Major problem I see is that there is no Welsh qualified International level 10 playing in Wales at the moment nor indeed anywhere else in the World. 
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Being widely reported that tickets for the Argentina game have only reached 10,000 - way down on previous yaers at this stage. Will the WRU be suprised as fans have been telling them for some time that their stewardship of the game would cost them fans - even the ones who think its a party opp with some big guys running around the field!!!!!!
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The English-based team is better than the Welsh-based one!
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

The English-based team is better than the Welsh-based one!

smith griffin jenkins williams lrz and llewellyn all likely to be in our strongest 23 plus beard 
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I would say only 12 and 2 are weak in that team. Otherwise, tons of potential all over. 
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I would say only 12 and 2 are weak in that team. Otherwise, tons of potential all over. 

Potential doesn't win you Internationals. Lets get real bois bach. 15 has less than 80 minutes first class rugby, 12 is a failed International, 8 see 15 above, 7 Tschiunza at 7 why not Reffell, 4. See 15 & 8 above, 2 you are joking now.
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Surprised that there people picking Wales teams without Adam Beard.

My other point would be there's no rush for Kane James.

Is he really better than Morse?

We have plenty of small back rowers.

Are England going to fast track him like they did with Feyi-Waboso?


I was at Saints v Exeter and Daf Jenkins remains a monster and essential to our national team. Tschiunza left the field for him to come on and Exeter were much the better for it.
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I would say only 12 and 2 are weak in that team. Otherwise, tons of potential all over. 

Potential doesn't win you Internationals. Lets get real bois bach. 15 has less than 80 minutes first class rugby, 12 is a failed International, 8 see 15 above, 7 Tschiunza at 7 why not Reffell, 4. See 15 & 8 above, 2 you are joking now.

Well, I said except 12 and 2... 

So that leaves Carrington at 15, Kane James at 8, Tshuinza at 7 and Green at 4.

Green and James both excelled at U20, both highly thought-of... plenty of examples of people who are good enough being put in. I always go back to the Pollock examples of a recent one. 

Tshuniza isn't a 7, I agree, but I think he is someone who should about the squad. 

The squad that was mentioned on Walesonline is a real step back for me. Real WoL dross:

Forwards: Dewi Lake, Evan Lloyd, Elliot Dee/Liam Belcher, Nicky Smith, Gareth Thomas, Kemsley Mathias, Archie Griffin, Henry Thomas, Keiron Assiratti, Dafydd Jenkins, Adam Beard, Will Rowlands, Teddy Williams, Rhys Davies, Jac Morgan (c), Tommy Reffell, Aaron Wainwright, Taulupe Faletau, Taine Plumtree, Ross Moriarty.

Backs: Tomos Williams, Kieran Hardy, Reuben Morgan-Williams, Dan Edwards, Jarrod Evans, Ben Thomas, Joe Hawkins, Joe Roberts, Max Llewellyn, Johnny Williams, Josh Adams, Louis Rees-Zammit, Tom Rogers, Keelan Giles, Blair Murray, Cam Winnett.

IMHO the following are either past it (e.g. too old now to invest time in), or not nor will be International standard, and I'd prefer we went with younger options even if much less experience and build for the future:

Dee, Belcher, Assiratti, Rowlands, Beard, Moriarty, Hardy, Jarrod Evans, Johnny Williams, Joe Roberts (currently), Giles, Winnett. 

Faletau gets an exception rule for being a genuine great but we have to use him sparingly. 

Reffell gets an exception for being a quality open-side but I personally wouldn't pick him because I don't think Wales play the kind of game he's good in. 
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