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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dyniol53 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2022 at 11:10pm
Oh right, so it largely was just bad management from WRU and some gold-fish bowl pressure that meant he wanted to move away. 

Seemed from the doc that there was a sort of unsaid rumour or conspiracy that meant he left all of a sudden - but maybe it was an amalgamation of things
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Alfie is an unlikeable charchter isn’t he?
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Alfie is an unlikeable charchter isn’t he?

I guess that's a matter of personal opinion. 
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Alfie is an unlikeable charchter isn’t he?
Very - certainly as a public figure he is really irritating. Superb player of course 
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Big time, hamsen dour henry likeable shane a bit bitter to. Gats and edwards my type of guys
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Big time, hamsen dour henry likeable shane a bit bitter to. Gats and edwards my type of guys
 

I have not seen episode 3 yet but I would have liked to have heard from Stevo and Martyn Williams as well not non stop Alfie pontificating and whose dominance is certainly taking the gloss of the programme so far - likewise Shane tbh. It’s been good well shot TV so far but  I fear an anti climax on Ruddock- gate 🤔
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To be honest I found Alfie and Shane's contributions to be open and honest. I find them quite likeable personally. I always felt Henry, Hansen & Ruddock were good coaches and the programme showed what each of them brought. I've enjoyed the programme so far fair play.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Alfie is an unlikeable charchter isn’t he?

Explain…..?
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Alfie is an unlikeable charchter isn’t he?

Explain…..?
his attitude on the programme he came across as rude and arrogant. Not to mention his scrum v rant and his constant foul language on the show
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote totallybiasedscarlet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 January 2022 at 2:49pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Alfie is an unlikeable charchter isn’t he?

Explain…..?
his attitude on the programme he came across as rude and arrogant. Not to mention his scrum v rant and his constant foul language on the show

Really? Again, personal opinion I guess. Not that it all matters that much in the grand scheme of things. Everyone's different, everyone has their take on things. Speak as you find as my Nan used to say Smile
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Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Alfie is an unlikeable charchter isn’t he?

Explain…..?
his attitude on the programme he came across as rude and arrogant. Not to mention his scrum v rant and his constant foul language on the show

Really? Again, personal opinion I guess. Not that it all matters that much in the grand scheme of things. Everyone's different, everyone has their take on things. Speak as you find as my Nan used to say Smile
I admit that I do get fed up when I see he is going to be the guest pundit. Over excitable, opinionated come to mind.  Him and Gabby  Logan make strange bedfellows  together in more ways than one! He was surgically  taken apart by Eddie Butler in that interview. Alfy was a great player mind . 

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Alfie is unique and that’s why I like him. But you can certainly have too much of him. I heard in a different podcast that Steve Hansen said Alfie was one of the most talent players he ever coached but never got the best out of, and said that might’ve been down to being oblivious to what was going on in Alfie’s personal life at the time. 

Obvs Stevo and M. Williams are still in the set up so it’s difficult to get their honest feedback.

I thought it was good programme too tho, that ‘05 England game with Henson’s tackle on Tait and kick to win was my first live rugby game. Had no clue about where Wales had been for the years beforehand. 

Also, what Henry and Hansen and to an extent Gats went on to achieve does suggest that someone at the WRU knew how to recruit well.


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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Watching Slammed - I wasn’t aware of what was going on at the time as I was barely a teenager. But what was the actual reason Mike Ruddock left 1 year after the ‘05 grand slam.

The official story was “contract negotiations” and “player power” but it seems pretty odd or at most a half-truth 

That he then went to go live and raise his family in Ireland makes it doubly weird to me 

Some of the players still preferred Hansen like Alfie, Nugget and Stephen Jones. Ruddock wasn’t strict enough they thought. After the England loss they went on the piss in cardiff. Hansen would never have allowed it. 
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Watching Slammed - I wasn’t aware of what was going on at the time as I was barely a teenager. But what was the actual reason Mike Ruddock left 1 year after the ‘05 grand slam.

The official story was “contract negotiations” and “player power” but it seems pretty odd or at most a half-truth 

That he then went to go live and raise his family in Ireland makes it doubly weird to me 

Some of the players still preferred Hansen like Alfie, Nugget and Stephen Jones. Ruddock wasn’t strict enough they thought. After the England loss they went on the piss in cardiff. Hansen would never have allowed it. 

Alun Carter's excellent book ,"Seeing Red"is very informative and well worth a look.Otherwise Adam Jones has been candid on all of it.Bad business .
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Edwards and gatland were hard just what wales need.  Ruddock should have dropped all the trouble makers, gats would have. The players let ruddock and jenkins down

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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Watching Slammed - I wasn’t aware of what was going on at the time as I was barely a teenager. But what was the actual reason Mike Ruddock left 1 year after the ‘05 grand slam.

The official story was “contract negotiations” and “player power” but it seems pretty odd or at most a half-truth 

That he then went to go live and raise his family in Ireland makes it doubly weird to me 
He didn’t move to Ireland until years later. He coached Worcester for 3 seasons and resigned after their relegation. His sons were already playing in Leinster by the time he decided to move out there.
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