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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

If the market for top players is expensive, it is better to pay to increase the quality of coaches in your organisation.


i agree. Leinster have gone down this route rather than super star player recruitment. In saying that it worked for toloun and sarries!👍


Leinster had a little second row injury crisis one year and they just went and bought the best lock on the planet in the middle of the season - world cup winning Kiwi Brad Thorne. That was in March 2012, and they went on to win the Heineken Cup that year.

Anyone who thinks Leinster don't buy their way to trophies is deluded. Their player payroll is now above all English clubs, and most of the French clubs.

Didn't they do something similar with Rocky Elsom? 
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

If the market for top players is expensive, it is better to pay to increase the quality of coaches in your organisation.


i agree. Leinster have gone down this route rather than super star player recruitment. In saying that it worked for toloun and sarries!👍


Leinster had a little second row injury crisis one year and they just went and bought the best lock on the planet in the middle of the season - world cup winning Kiwi Brad Thorne. That was in March 2012, and they went on to win the Heineken Cup that year.

Anyone who thinks Leinster don't buy their way to trophies is deluded. Their player payroll is now above all English clubs, and most of the French clubs.

Didn't they do something similar with Rocky Elsom? 

Keep on digging bois bach - go back far enough & you may find the reasons why Leinster are top of the pile. They currently have far less overseas players invested in their squad than the Scarlets - fact. They, on the other hand, do heavily invest in top range coaching for first team & academy which we do not. Therefore the clue to the contrasting fortunes of both sides may well be staring us in the face. Don't think Brad or Rocky really have anything to do with it. 
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It's not just about developing players, it's about retaining them which is a lot easier with the support that they get from the IRFU.
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Keep on digging bois bach - go back far enough & you may find the reasons why Leinster are top of the pile. They currently have far less overseas players invested in their squad than the Scarlets - fact. They, on the other hand, do heavily invest in top range coaching for first team & academy which we do not. Therefore the clue to the contrasting fortunes of both sides may well be staring us in the face. Don't think Brad or Rocky really have anything to do with it. 


They are top of the pile because they spend the most money on players and coaches. There really is nothing more to it.
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It's not just about developing players, it's about retaining them which is a lot easier with the support that they get from the IRFU.

Yes of course it is. That should be one of the reasons why our regions/clubs should be brave enough and take on the WRU. The WRU are holding back the game in Wales. Their attitude is from the dark ages. Wales are winning so everything must be ok. Well it ain't & the sooner they are made to realise this the better. No regional professional rugby in Wales = bankruptcy for the WRU & players being selected for Wales from teams dotted all over Europe. 
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Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

It's not just about developing players, it's about retaining them which is a lot easier with the support that they get from the IRFU.


Exactly. They keep their best players. And their players that might be quite good. And the ones that are a level below that. They can afford to keep them.

Very few like Taighd Beirne escape the net. Where as there are hundreds of Wales players that the Welsh 4 have to let go because they can't afford to gamble on whether they'll be any good in 3 years time or not. So instead they spend the money on a solid overseas player they know will give them performance right away. This isn't rocket science bois.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Keep on digging bois bach - go back far enough & you may find the reasons why Leinster are top of the pile. They currently have far less overseas players invested in their squad than the Scarlets - fact. They, on the other hand, do heavily invest in top range coaching for first team & academy which we do not. Therefore the clue to the contrasting fortunes of both sides may well be staring us in the face. Don't think Brad or Rocky really have anything to do with it. 


They are top of the pile because they spend the most money on players and coaches. There really is nothing more to it.

What a load of nonsense. If your logic were true then Racing 92 would be unbeatable. Of course money is part of the solution but to suggest it is the be all and end all is totally missing the point. From your perspective the only way the Scarlets could become competitive is by making all of our competition have to be funded the same as us regardless of how successful each team is in attracting sponsors/supporters etc.

Fortunately we live in a free commercial World where enterprise and professionalism are rewarded. We, at the Scarlets, should look and learn from the best.
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What a load of nonsense. If your logic were true then Racing 92 would be unbeatable.


Why? Racing have an 11m Euro salary cap

Leinster have no salary cap

Quote Of course money is part of the solution but to suggest it is the be all and end all is totally missing the point. From your perspective the only way the Scarlets could become competitive is by making all of our competition have to be funded the same as us regardless of how successful each team is in attracting sponsors/supporters etc.


Well of course. Otherwise you have to apply the same logic to other sports and question why Middlesborough FC aren't winning the Premier League every year.

You're literally saying that rugby is some sort of excepetion to the very basis of professional sport - and that tenacity, consistency and a bunch of other cliches are the source of Leinster's success and not money and resources. Leinster just happen to be multiple European Cup Winners and Pro14 champions because ..................well just because they are really professional and train really well and have a good canteen??


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Fortunately we live in a free commercial World where enterprise and professionalism are rewarded. We, at the Scarlets, should look and learn from the best.


So we need to spend about £3m more per year on world class coaches and keep all the youngsters that are leaving from doing so.
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We have more overseas players than leinster do so do all the other regions. If we look at it from the wru point of view  regions bringing back welsh players and improving coaching staff is a sound investment. At the end of the day what is in it for them if a region brings in capped nwq players on big wages? Not much if we are honest it’s not a cost effective investment for them. Clearly it is for us!
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The WRU clearly don't give a stuff about us, so I don't see why we should give stuff about them.
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Because we are tied to this lge, untill we get a b and i league and control our own finances we are stuffed sadly. I’d love us to get an extra million and bring in a top saffer lock and a kiwi 8. But the wru won’t gain anything from that so they won’t fund it.  They may help us if we go for the likes of toby f or lrz etc 

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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Because we are tied to this lge, untill we get a b and i league and control our own finances we are stuffed sadly. I’d love us to get an extra million and bring in a top saffer lock and a kiwi 8. But the wru won’t gain anything from that so they won’t fund it.  They may help us if we go for the likes of toby f or lrz etc 


Which is why comments urging us to 'Learn from Leinster' are puzzling.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Because we are tied to this lge, untill we get a b and i league and control our own finances we are stuffed sadly. I’d love us to get an extra million and bring in a top saffer lock and a kiwi 8. But the wru won’t gain anything from that so they won’t fund it.  They may help us if we go for the likes of toby f or lrz etc 

The hunt for LRZ's signature will be hugely competitive with the 4 regions, he is the type of player that youngsters aspire to be & whilst we don't tend to shift shirts like football clubs do, it wouldn't hurt to have him here from a merchandise point of view. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

It's not just about developing players, it's about retaining them which is a lot easier with the support that they get from the IRFU.

Yes of course it is. That should be one of the reasons why our regions/clubs should be brave enough and take on the WRU. The WRU are holding back the game in Wales. Their attitude is from the dark ages. Wales are winning so everything must be ok. Well it ain't & the sooner they are made to realise this the better. No regional professional rugby in Wales = bankruptcy for the WRU & players being selected for Wales from teams dotted all over Europe. 
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Because we are tied to this lge, untill we get a b and i league and control our own finances we are stuffed sadly. I’d love us to get an extra million and bring in a top saffer lock and a kiwi 8. But the wru won’t gain anything from that so they won’t fund it.  They may help us if we go for the likes of toby f or lrz etc 


Which is why comments urging us to 'Learn from Leinster' are puzzling.
why wouldn’t we look to the top organisation in the league and see if we can learn from them?😳 we can also look at exeter the crusaders etc not just leinster

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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Because we are tied to this lge, untill we get a b and i league and control our own finances we are stuffed sadly. I’d love us to get an extra million and bring in a top saffer lock and a kiwi 8. But the wru won’t gain anything from that so they won’t fund it.  They may help us if we go for the likes of toby f or lrz etc 


Which is why comments urging us to 'Learn from Leinster' are puzzling.
why wouldn’t we look to the top organisation in the league and see if we can learn from them?😳 we can also look at exeter the crusaders etc not just leinster

Precisely RR. I am not suggesting that we can suddenly get £3m per annum ( which sounds a hell of a lot of money for coaches by the way when Eddie Jones is on £750k) but we could look to fund a coaching team of Robin McBryde & Dwayne Peel with the loss of Delaney, Whiffin & Flannagan plus a chunk more. The new rules about regions seeing more of their top players should count against Leinster's greater depth if you think about it.
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