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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Just to clarify the 38 Wales squad guidance..

The Welsh coaching set up select their 38 players in *January of each year, it applies for a 1 calendar year only, and is for the following playing season.. i.e. 38 man squad selected in January 2021 is for the season that starts in September 2021.

The WRU then cover ( directly from their pockets) 80% of the players salary, the remaining 20% is paid for by the players region.

*It may seem odd timings, but the governance on player contracts means you can't sign for another team before January of each year ( in reality this is nonsense as everyone is mostly done and dusted by then, but dem da rules).

It does mean that players, like for example George North, will be in the 38, but of course will likely now not play in 2021...see Anscombe for 2020. You can't change the 38 once selected, even for long term injury or if someone decides to leave etc.

Thanks Wil so that suggests that the regions are not owed anything from the WRU for their Internationals. 
Has the money actually been handed over?
It still leaves the competition income being withheld.

I'm a little confused about this Steve. I thought Muderack & the other chairmen were complaining that they hadn't received money for the release of their Internationals for the 6 nations. From what Wil is saying the 80% for the 38 man list is paid direct to the players so the only thing they could be talking about is payment for players not in the named 38 man squad. 


What Wil posted is what's MEANT to happen. however...those payments are yet to be received and going on the recent interview with was it Steve Phillips, wont be received as an agreed number was never set as part of the agreement between WRU/PRB. WRU have given £3m each to the regions to cover the lot. Including those players obviously who arent in the 38.

On top of that players have taken cuts, which also need to be paid back. Its alarming how anti pro rugby the WRU are being.

As for the hotel, i found it interesting that in an EXCELLENT financial year, Celtic Manor made a profit of £1.4m....so seeing the WRU have put in a £30m ish investment, it may take 30 excellent years just to break even! That's obviously not taking into account any refurbishments etc that will need doing within that 30years. All that of course if the hotel hits the ground running straight away with no hiccups! WRU cant run pro rugby so they are jumping ship to hotels it seems.

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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I’ve just been reading the WOL (I know I shouldn’t but there’s nothing else to do), I see that the WRU are now fighting for there to be a place in the champions cup for at least on team from Wales in 2022, through fear that the SA teams may finish in the automatic qualifying positions in the Pro16 ahead of the welsh sides - how hypocritical is that considering that the WRU fought hard to change the old system in order to increase the number of places on offer to the welsh regions.

Will the SA teams qualify for the European cups?! 

Or does it just disadvantage the P16 teams vs Gallagher/T14 sides in terms of qualifying
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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

On top of that players have taken cuts, which also need to be paid back. Its alarming how anti pro rugby the WRU are being.



They always have been a source of strife rather than support ever since the game went pro. All they care about is the Wales players.

The 4 pro clubs are in direct competition in terms of funding with clubs below us (amateur) and there's a head of governance who seems fine with starving us to death above.

As 'Welsh rugby fans' - we are very much in the minority of people who would want more money to be given to us. The fans of community clubs who don't support a region make a huge fuss whenever we are given money. Many of them actively despise the regions, I know scores of people like this. Others just support Wales and don't give two hoots about the regions.

Meanwhile the other 300 clubs remove a guy who has been invovled with all levels of the game for decades, appoint a retired teacher as Chairman, and the finance guy in the Union who's been there 20 years is promoted to Chief Exec.

Only in Wales would you get 300 amateur clubs and a Geography teacher running a £100m business. It's a disfunctional, broken regime that shows no sign of being fixed.

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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I’ve just been reading the WOL (I know I shouldn’t but there’s nothing else to do), I see that the WRU are now fighting for there to be a place in the champions cup for at least on team from Wales in 2022, through fear that the SA teams may finish in the automatic qualifying positions in the Pro16 ahead of the welsh sides - how hypocritical is that considering that the WRU fought hard to change the old system in order to increase the number of places on offer to the welsh regions.
They wouldn’t have to worry about the regions failing to qualify if the just got their priorities right and spent the money on the regions and not on some vanity projects in Westgate Street, and also released players back to the regions when not used.
the regions sided with the french / english clubs to change the european cup
Didn’t they?
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

On top of that players have taken cuts, which also need to be paid back. Its alarming how anti pro rugby the WRU are being.



They always have been a source of strife rather than support ever since the game went pro. All they care about is the Wales players.

The 4 pro clubs are in direct competition in terms of funding with clubs below us (amateur) and there's a head of governance who seems fine with starving us to death above.

As 'Welsh rugby fans' - we are very much in the minority of people who would want more money to be given to us. The fans of community clubs who don't support a region make a huge fuss whenever we are given money. Many of them actively despise the regions, I know scores of people like this. Others just support Wales and don't give two hoots about the regions.

Meanwhile the other 300 clubs remove a guy who has been invovled with all levels of the game for decades, appoint a retired teacher as Chairman, and the finance guy in the Union who's been there 20 years is promoted to Chief Exec.

Only in Wales would you get 300 amateur clubs and a Geography teacher running a £100m business. It's a disfunctional, broken regime that shows no sign of being fixed.

Exactly this. For a few years, we were gradually edging away from the 'WRU v Welsh Pro Rugby' conflict, getting better structures & processes into place, piece by piece, separating the pro game from the club governance - this would have been for the betterment of the whole game in Wales: Test rugby makes the most money, but by creating the right environment for pro clubs to thrive, it would have delivered greater, consistent, sustainable success for Team Wales - and that would thereby underpin the amateur game, generating more interest and income for the 300 grass roots clubs. It's a virtuous circle, once it's spinning.

But the short-sightedness of some clubs has now ensured that we have an amateur executive at the very time we needed professional board level competence and long-term vision. The petty jealousy in Welsh rugby compromises everything.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I’ve just been reading the WOL (I know I shouldn’t but there’s nothing else to do), I see that the WRU are now fighting for there to be a place in the champions cup for at least on team from Wales in 2022, through fear that the SA teams may finish in the automatic qualifying positions in the Pro16 ahead of the welsh sides - how hypocritical is that considering that the WRU fought hard to change the old system in order to increase the number of places on offer to the welsh regions.
They wouldn’t have to worry about the regions failing to qualify if the just got their priorities right and spent the money on the regions and not on some vanity projects in Westgate Street, and also released players back to the regions when not used.
the regions sided with the french / english clubs to change the european cup
Didn’t they?
They did but with the help and support of the WRU (as alluded to by the WOL) who we’re probably thinking of the extra revenue to be earned if more regions qualified for Europe.  It appears that they are now worried that the could in theory see no welsh teams finish in the qualifying positions.
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I’ve just been reading the WOL (I know I shouldn’t but there’s nothing else to do), I see that the WRU are now fighting for there to be a place in the champions cup for at least on team from Wales in 2022, through fear that the SA teams may finish in the automatic qualifying positions in the Pro16 ahead of the welsh sides - how hypocritical is that considering that the WRU fought hard to change the old system in order to increase the number of places on offer to the welsh regions.
They wouldn’t have to worry about the regions failing to qualify if the just got their priorities right and spent the money on the regions and not on some vanity projects in Westgate Street, and also released players back to the regions when not used.
the regions sided with the french / english clubs to change the european cup
Didn’t they?
They did but with the help and support of the WRU (as alluded to by the WOL) who we’re probably thinking of the extra revenue to be earned if more regions qualified for Europe.  It appears that they are now worried that the could in theory see no welsh teams finish in the qualifying positions.
no it was against the wru and the other celtic nations wishes i remeber the arguements at the time. Anyhow the wru needs to release more funds to the regions regardless👍 Also let’s be honest here one of the pro sides and their fans seem to delight in trolling some of their grass roots feeder clubs so no big shock those same clubs delight in trying to hinder them and reduce their funding. That pro side  is  far from blameless in all of this infighting

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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

On top of that players have taken cuts, which also need to be paid back. Its alarming how anti pro rugby the WRU are being.



They always have been a source of strife rather than support ever since the game went pro. All they care about is the Wales players.

The 4 pro clubs are in direct competition in terms of funding with clubs below us (amateur) and there's a head of governance who seems fine with starving us to death above.

As 'Welsh rugby fans' - we are very much in the minority of people who would want more money to be given to us. The fans of community clubs who don't support a region make a huge fuss whenever we are given money. Many of them actively despise the regions, I know scores of people like this. Others just support Wales and don't give two hoots about the regions.

Meanwhile the other 300 clubs remove a guy who has been invovled with all levels of the game for decades, appoint a retired teacher as Chairman, and the finance guy in the Union who's been there 20 years is promoted to Chief Exec.

Only in Wales would you get 300 amateur clubs and a Geography teacher running a £100m business. It's a disfunctional, broken regime that shows no sign of being fixed.
Spot on unfortunately..its a sad state of affairs that the game has been pro nearly for about 25/30 years but still being governed by amateurs. This is where rugby, globally really, has failed since it went pro. All other sports have gone from strength to strength. We can only hope CVC will start to put a clamp on such madness. They are the ones investing in the sport so they will upset a lot of blazers. 
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