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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

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Because we are tied to this lge, untill we get a b and i league and control our own finances we are stuffed sadly. I’d love us to get an extra million and bring in a top saffer lock and a kiwi 8. But the wru won’t gain anything from that so they won’t fund it.  They may help us if we go for the likes of toby f or lrz etc 


Which is why comments urging us to 'Learn from Leinster' are puzzling.
why wouldn’t we look to the top organisation in the league and see if we can learn from them?😳 we can also look at exeter the crusaders etc not just leinster


Because if we want to copy Leinster's model, we would need the WRU to find another £15m - £20 a season to fund us and the other pro clubs. To do that they'd need to cut the costs down by shutting community clubs down, stop the ringfencing of community rugby, slash jobs within the Union etc.

Then we'd have to be happy with the WRU forcing us to move some of our promising youngsters to the Ospreys, as they are short of good players in those positions.
Then we'd have to be happy with the WRU forcing us to play certain players in certain matches. Having our best players rested for derbies etc.

And on it goes.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Because we are tied to this lge, untill we get a b and i league and control our own finances we are stuffed sadly. I’d love us to get an extra million and bring in a top saffer lock and a kiwi 8. But the wru won’t gain anything from that so they won’t fund it.  They may help us if we go for the likes of toby f or lrz etc 


Which is why comments urging us to 'Learn from Leinster' are puzzling.
why wouldn’t we look to the top organisation in the league and see if we can learn from them?😳 we can also look at exeter the crusaders etc not just leinster


Because if we want to copy Leinster's model, we would need the WRU to find another £15m - £20 a season to fund us and the other pro clubs. To do that they'd need to cut the costs down by shutting community clubs down, stop the ringfencing of community rugby, slash jobs within the Union etc.

Then we'd have to be happy with the WRU forcing us to move some of our promising youngsters to the Ospreys, as they are short of good players in those positions.
Then we'd have to be happy with the WRU forcing us to play certain players in certain matches. Having our best players rested for derbies etc.

And on it goes.

Nobody is suggesting we copy the Leinster model - just that we follow some of their practices i.e. employing top quality coaching staff being the foremost. The sort of additional money per annum you suggest is not beyond a well run Union but we must be realistic. Its not, of course, just IRFU money but also money generated by the club themselves. Success is a huge driver of income. Regions need to stand alone from the WRU and the sooner we bite that particular bullet the better. Then we move away from dependence on crumbs from the WRU table and stand on our own two feet. 

If we want a decent model to follow in this respect look at Exeter. The Scarlet brand starts a long way down the road from where Exeter have come from - their journey has been relatively short but they have sure made progress. 
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Because we are tied to this lge, untill we get a b and i league and control our own finances we are stuffed sadly. I’d love us to get an extra million and bring in a top saffer lock and a kiwi 8. But the wru won’t gain anything from that so they won’t fund it.  They may help us if we go for the likes of toby f or lrz etc 


Which is why comments urging us to 'Learn from Leinster' are puzzling.
why wouldn’t we look to the top organisation in the league and see if we can learn from them?😳 we can also look at exeter the crusaders etc not just leinster


Because if we want to copy Leinster's model, we would need the WRU to find another £15m - £20 a season to fund us and the other pro clubs. To do that they'd need to cut the costs down by shutting community clubs down, stop the ringfencing of community rugby, slash jobs within the Union etc.

Then we'd have to be happy with the WRU forcing us to move some of our promising youngsters to the Ospreys, as they are short of good players in those positions.
Then we'd have to be happy with the WRU forcing us to play certain players in certain matches. Having our best players rested for derbies etc.

And on it goes.
The answer is so obvious it's painful. It's remarkable how they haven't taken out money against the Principality Stadium. They aren't as skint as they claim
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Nobody is suggesting we copy the Leinster model - just that we follow some of their practices i.e. employing top quality coaching staff being the foremost. The sort of additional money per annum you suggest is not beyond a well run Union but we must be realistic.


We must have been through this a hundred times on this forum.

What would have made Graham Rowntree, Stephen Larkham, Erasmus, Mcbryde, lancaster etc come to the Scarlets and not to Leinster / Munster?

Quote Its not, of course, just IRFU money but also money generated by the club themselves.


Their money for coaches and players all derives from a central IRFU pot of 46m Euros.

Quote The Scarlet brand starts a long way down the road from where Exeter have come from - their journey has been relatively short but they have sure made progress. 


Exeter is a more reasonable model to compare to. But even then they have based their ability to spend right up to the English wage cap, on getting into fairly large debt, and having a big income generator (their hospitality facility).

The next few seasons will see the English reduce their wage cap to well below what the Irish are spending. Although how that is going to work I'm still none the wiser.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Because we are tied to this lge, untill we get a b and i league and control our own finances we are stuffed sadly. I’d love us to get an extra million and bring in a top saffer lock and a kiwi 8. But the wru won’t gain anything from that so they won’t fund it.  They may help us if we go for the likes of toby f or lrz etc 


Which is why comments urging us to 'Learn from Leinster' are puzzling.
why wouldn’t we look to the top organisation in the league and see if we can learn from them?😳 we can also look at exeter the crusaders etc not just leinster


Because if we want to copy Leinster's model, we would need the WRU to find another £15m - £20 a season to fund us and the other pro clubs. To do that they'd need to cut the costs down by shutting community clubs down, stop the ringfencing of community rugby, slash jobs within the Union etc.

Then we'd have to be happy with the WRU forcing us to move some of our promising youngsters to the Ospreys, as they are short of good players in those positions.
Then we'd have to be happy with the WRU forcing us to play certain players in certain matches. Having our best players rested for derbies etc.

And on it goes.
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Because we are tied to this lge, untill we get a b and i league and control our own finances we are stuffed sadly. I’d love us to get an extra million and bring in a top saffer lock and a kiwi 8. But the wru won’t gain anything from that so they won’t fund it.  They may help us if we go for the likes of toby f or lrz etc 


Which is why comments urging us to 'Learn from Leinster' are puzzling.
why wouldn’t we look to the top organisation in the league and see if we can learn from them?😳 we can also look at exeter the crusaders etc not just leinster


Because if we want to copy Leinster's model, we would need the WRU to find another £15m - £20 a season to fund us and the other pro clubs. To do that they'd need to cut the costs down by shutting community clubs down, stop the ringfencing of community rugby, slash jobs within the Union etc.

Then we'd have to be happy with the WRU forcing us to move some of our promising youngsters to the Ospreys, as they are short of good players in those positions.
Then we'd have to be happy with the WRU forcing us to play certain players in certain matches. Having our best players rested for derbies etc.

And on it goes.
meant to say we don't need the WRU for that.Wink
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Sometimes the WRU have less sense than is spouted on here after a heavy defeat, or triumphant success, and much alcohol has been consumed.

If Kid A could become something at least as powerful as FD of the WRU, it would be a huge step in the right direction.
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Sometimes the WRU have less sense than is spouted on here after a heavy defeat, or triumphant success, and much alcohol has been consumed.

If Kid A could become something at least as powerful as FD of the WRU, it would be a huge step in the right direction.


Ha. I wouldn't want the frustration of that job. The Union is broken. Because the clubs will never vote themselves out. So it won't change. It's Putinesque.

As it is, the treasurers of amateur clubs look after the interests of 4 elite pro clubs. That boggles my mind. Ex Teachers are in control of rugby in Wales. Ex hedge fund managers are in control of rugby in England. That says it all.

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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Sometimes the WRU have less sense than is spouted on here after a heavy defeat, or triumphant success, and much alcohol has been consumed.

If Kid A could become something at least as powerful as FD of the WRU, it would be a huge step in the right direction.


Ha. I wouldn't want the frustration of that job. The Union is broken. Because the clubs will never vote themselves out. So it won't change. It's Putinesque.

As it is, the treasurers of amateur clubs look after the interests of 4 elite pro clubs. That boggles my mind. Ex Teachers are in control of rugby in Wales. Ex hedge fund managers are in control of rugby in England. That says it all.

Don’t give up so soon. 

Your clarity of thought and concise presentation of facts marks you out as suitable for high(er) office. I’ve no idea what your current role is, that said. Hopefully, it’s not underpaid and under appreciated.


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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Sometimes the WRU have less sense than is spouted on here after a heavy defeat, or triumphant success, and much alcohol has been consumed.

If Kid A could become something at least as powerful as FD of the WRU, it would be a huge step in the right direction.


Ha. I wouldn't want the frustration of that job. The Union is broken. Because the clubs will never vote themselves out. So it won't change. It's Putinesque.

As it is, the treasurers of amateur clubs look after the interests of 4 elite pro clubs. That boggles my mind. Ex Teachers are in control of rugby in Wales. Ex hedge fund managers are in control of rugby in England. That says it all.


Totally agree Kid A. The professional clubs in Wales need to stand up to the WRU and take control. 
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Interesting article in WOL penned by Nigel Walker now on the Cardiff board. Some real common sense being spoken about the dire situation facing the regions financially & the nonsense which is the WRU. It appears that Cardiff can survive until the summer. His words confirm what many on this forum have said over the past months/years. If professional rugby is going to survive into the future in Wales then people with vision and ability need to be appointed to the WRU.

One thing is certain it will not survive if things don't change. Short sighted, head in the sand thinking - Wales are doing well so why change things - will eventually lead to the failure of the regions, players flouting the 60 cap rule and moving to clubs where they can be successful eventually leading to the demise of the International team. Why should that worry the WRU - they will have a city centre hotel & a roof walk - wow!!!!!!!


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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Interesting article in WOL penned by Nigel Walker now on the Cardiff board. Some real common sense being spoken about the dire situation facing the regions financially & the nonsense which is the WRU. It appears that Cardiff can survive until the summer. His words confirm what many on this forum have said over the past months/years. If professional rugby is going to survive into the future in Wales then people with vision and ability need to be appointed to the WRU.

One thing is certain it will not survive if things don't change. Short sighted, head in the sand thinking - Wales are doing well so why change things - will eventually lead to the failure of the regions, players flouting the 60 cap rule and moving to clubs where they can be successful eventually leading to the demise of the International team. Why should that worry the WRU - they will have a city centre hotel & a roof walk - wow!!!!!!!


City centre hotel and roof walk.

Forget investing in maintenance on the foundations, let’s put it into a vanity project.

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We need extra funding but it’s like i said the wru are going to put conditions on any more funding being released.  Signing two or three big name nwq would help the regions but it’s going to do nothing to help the national team. The wru will want it spent on either improved coaching , academy facilities or on bringing wq players into welsh sides. Id quite like to see toby f and lrz in scarlet😀

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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

We need extra funding but it’s like i said the wru are going to put conditions on any more funding being released.  Signing two or three big name nwq would help the regions but it’s going to do nothing to help the national team. The wru will want it spent on either improved coaching , academy facilities or on bringing wq players into welsh sides. Id quite like to see toby f and lrz in scarlet😀

Certainly we should embrace any conditions - lets have the money. Improve our coaching at senior & academy levels. Lets get all the Welsh qualified players back in Wales - Sheedy, Lloyd, LRZ, Reffell, Nott, Dan Thomas, Faletau, Young, Biggar, Aled etc the list goes on. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Interesting article in WOL penned by Nigel Walker now on the Cardiff board. Some real common sense being spoken about the dire situation facing the regions financially & the nonsense which is the WRU. It appears that Cardiff can survive until the summer. His words confirm what many on this forum have said over the past months/years. If professional rugby is going to survive into the future in Wales then people with vision and ability need to be appointed to the WRU.

One thing is certain it will not survive if things don't change. Short sighted, head in the sand thinking - Wales are doing well so why change things - will eventually lead to the failure of the regions, players flouting the 60 cap rule and moving to clubs where they can be successful eventually leading to the demise of the International team. Why should that worry the WRU - they will have a city centre hotel & a roof walk - wow!!!!!!!


the obvious answer if your the WRU is to cut the 4 mouths you feed down to 2 and you still get the bulk of your money to waste on what you want which is not good for regions or fans.
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I just ask how many press releases or other public comments have been announced since the new guy took over? I struggle 😉
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