WRU

RR1972 wrote: I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp.  One  thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot.  Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must  change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh.  I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow.

They did make changes. Look at the quality of businessmen/women on their board. They, along with the other pro sides, changed during “project reset” but the WRU didn’t live up to their side of the bargain. Until we have serious governance chance then the pro game is unsustainable 

Dic Penderyn wrote: scarletnut wrote: RR1972 wrote: I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp.  One  thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot.  Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must  change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh.  I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow.  They did make changes. Look at the quality of businessmen/women on their board. They, along with the other pro sides, changed during “project reset” but the WRU didn’t live up to their side of the bargain. Until we have serious governance chance then the pro game is unsustainable  There is ,of course,the need for change in the way the game is administered.Howevsr,it is not solely about quality business people.It is also about quality rugby people,with serious rugby knowledge and intelligence:that is something that seems all too often to be lacking in Wales.

We just go round and round in circles though. Lack of resources means the top coaches aren't in Wales. Seriously, do you think the likes of Stephen Larkham, Graham Rowntree, Felip Contempomi, Jake White, Stuart Lancaster would coach in Wales instead of being at other URC sides? The answer is no, because they will go where the money is.

Dic Penderyn wrote: KID A wrote: Dic Penderyn wrote: scarletnut wrote: RR1972 wrote: I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp.  One  thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot.  Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must  change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh.  I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow.  They did make changes. Look at the quality of businessmen/women on their board. They, along with the other pro sides, changed during “project reset” but the WRU didn’t live up to their side of the bargain. Until we have serious governance chance then the pro game is unsustainable  There is ,of course,the need for change in the way the game is administered.Howevsr,it is not solely about quality business people.It is also about quality rugby people,with serious rugby knowledge and intelligence:that is something that seems all too often to be lacking in Wales. We just go round and round in circles though. Lack of resources means the top coaches aren't in Wales. Seriously, do you think the likes of Stephen Larkham, Graham Rowntree, Felip Contempomi, Jake White, Stuart Lancaster would coach in Wales instead of being at other URC sides? The answer is no, because they will go where the money is. You are correct in that the best will always be able to name their price:that's what professional sport is all about.In Wales however there are 2 main problems: 1.A player's value is,ultimately,decided by the National Coach.zEven though atm the position is occupied by Pivac,the players at his disposal are still,to a great extent,those favoured by his predecessor.The system used to pay players is totally flawed,artificial,and hugely detrimental to progressive development.It needs to be dispensed with asap. 2.Darren Edwards,Flannagan,Babs-just a few Welsh coaches to come through the current system.Not inspiring. Currently the system does not produce the kind of talent that will ever name its price.Mediocrity is tolerated too often.

Your first point is spot on and is a massive problem. The system is broken in fact I don’t think it ever worked 

RR1972 wrote: scarletnut wrote: RR1972 wrote: I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp.  One  thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot.  Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must  change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh.  I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow.  They did make changes. Look at the quality of businessmen/women on their board. They, along with the other pro sides, changed during “project reset” but the WRU didn’t live up to their side of the bargain. Until we have serious governance chance then the pro game is unsustainable  no They didn’t . they call themelves cArdiff they play every game in cardiff and in cardiff colours, what have they lchanged?  Answr is nothing so let’s not pretend otherwise, they are literally the same as cardiff pre regionAl rugby. So spare me this they have changed rhetoric

From my distant view, they made a big fuss and fanfare about dropping Blues from their name.

Edited by Eastern outpost - 13 August 2022 at 9:59pm

RR1972 wrote: scarletnut wrote: RR1972 wrote: I take it this is the guy? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/second-ftse-100-ceo-quits-24747493.amp.  One  thing that must be pointed out to him and the cardiff lot.  Cardiff rugby are very big on telling the rest of welsh rugby they must  change but flat out refuse to make any changes thenselves. A dose of reality would do them some good tbh.  I thought they said going back to cardiff would see a load of sponsors come on board and lapsed fans return? That was the line they peddled anyhow.  They did make changes. Look at the quality of businessmen/women on their board. They, along with the other pro sides, changed during “project reset” but the WRU didn’t live up to their side of the bargain. Until we have serious governance chance then the pro game is unsustainable  no They didn’t . they call themelves cArdiff they play every game in cardiff and in cardiff colours, what have they lchanged?  Answr is nothing so let’s not pretend otherwise, they are literally the same as cardiff pre regionAl rugby. So spare me this they have changed rhetoric

We haven’t got regional rugby in Wales and we never have done. This is a good thing because it creates entitlement. The only thing regional is the development pathway each professional side runs. Cardiff is a serious brand known throughout the rugby world, it’s common sense to make that name the focus of your branding. If you get a chance listen to the podcast with Marco Masotti the majority shareholder at the Sharks. In many ways it was a cop out to drop Llanelli from our name. The main reason Cardiff or any of the other pro sides haven’t kicked on is because of the constraints bestowed upon them by the so called “protect reset.” The majority of our problems stem from the governance of the game.

Here's the link to the latest WRU / money story https://www.dai-sport.com/wru-tell-regions-heres-30m-for-your-players-its-mostly-a-loan-and-your-money-men-have-to-carry-the-risk/

Edited by hartson11 - 04 September 2022 at 1:39pm