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    Posted: 07 April 2025 at 8:29pm
During the game, we were playing out of our 22 and the ball was passed to Joe Roberts.
He reached for it, touched it, and then went to regather the ball. Before he had a chance he was tackled.
He was not in possession.
The ref indicated a knock on advantage and the Ospreys went on to score.

I thought that as he was tackled without the ball, then a fair decision would have call the knock on advantage but to give the Ospreys a scrum, as their player infringed.

Unsure so I was wondering if there are any refs out there who could clarify please?
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Not a ref, but I thought exactly the same thing and shouted tackled without the ball at the TV. As far as I know he was never in possession so should've been tackled. 
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Not a ref, but I thought exactly the same thing and shouted tackled without the ball at the TV. As far as I know he was never in possession so should've been tackled. 

We said the same thing 
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You’re usually deemed to be in control of the ball when you’re juggling it. The same goes for a player who has let go of a ball in order to punt it. 
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if you drop the ball to kick it your allowed to be tackled if your juggling  the ball to catch it you are alloeed to be tackled
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I could be wrong, but I thought that the juggling/dropping to kick it situation only occurred AFTER it was under control. E.g. you have possession and then you drop it to kick it, or for some reason you start juggling it, but this is always preceded by you gaining possession of the ball in the first place. 

Joe definitely never had possession of the ball at any point. 
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I could be wrong, but I thought that the juggling/dropping to kick it situation only occurred AFTER it was under control. E.g. you have possession and then you drop it to kick it, or for some reason you start juggling it, but this is always preceded by you gaining possession of the ball in the first place. 

Joe definitely never had possession of the ball at any point. 
if that  is the caase  a player could literally just juggle the ball all the way to the oppostion line and the  opposition could not lawfully twckle them? (extreme example but you get the drift)
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He was technically tackled without the ball, however if you’re juggling the ball you’ve got to expect to be tackled
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I could be wrong, but I thought that the juggling/dropping to kick it situation only occurred AFTER it was under control. E.g. you have possession and then you drop it to kick it, or for some reason you start juggling it, but this is always preceded by you gaining possession of the ball in the first place. 

Joe definitely never had possession of the ball at any point. 
if that  is the caase  a player could literally just juggle the ball all the way to the oppostion line and the  opposition could not lawfully twckle them? (extreme example but you get the drift)

Nope, sorry, that’s not what I said. Using your example but applying what I said before, IF he was carrying the ball (say, had caught a pass and was in possession - think about NFL for this too any that watch), and then started juggling all the way to the line he’s a fair game. IF the ball comes out to him and his first touch is to knock it up, and then he knocks it again, (eg juggling), and then as he goes to catch it on the third attempt and is tackled before he can, I think that’s tackled without the ball as he never had it in the first place. 

Just IMHO though (and I’m happy to be proved wrong by a ref  etc.) 
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I could be wrong, but I thought that the juggling/dropping to kick it situation only occurred AFTER it was under control. E.g. you have possession and then you drop it to kick it, or for some reason you start juggling it, but this is always preceded by you gaining possession of the ball in the first place. 

Joe definitely never had possession of the ball at any point. 
if that  is the caase  a player could literally just juggle the ball all the way to the oppostion line and the  opposition could not lawfully twckle them? (extreme example but you get the drift)

Nope, sorry, that’s not what I said. Using your example but applying what I said before, IF he was carrying the ball (say, had caught a pass and was in possession - think about NFL for this too any that watch), and then started juggling all the way to the line he’s a fair game. IF the ball comes out to him and his first touch is to knock it up, and then he knocks it again, (eg juggling), and then as he goes to catch it on the third attempt and is tackled before he can, I think that’s tackled without the ball as he never had it in the first place. 

Just IMHO though (and I’m happy to be proved wrong by a ref  etc.) 

Using the NFL analogy, maybe that's where the phrase "sack the juggler" emanates from.....although Urban Dictionary provides a completely different take on it
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The law is, if you touch the ball regardless of being in control you can be tackled 
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The law is, if you touch the ball regardless of being in control you can be tackled 

As it should be. Tackle was fair imho.
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