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After the frustrations of yesterday, the hope of age grade rugby. Yes, there should always be hope at U18s- even the cold clammy fingers of the WRU can't fully extinguish that. So the score- 40- 7 to us or 6 tries to 1. I'm not sure if more than 1 conversion was missed. Only 2 names that I recognise from last year Jac Cloke at 7 and Alfie Luger- some name for a scrum half. 

They played like a team and did the basics really well. They have even been coached to take the ball at pace, coming from deep and running straight at a gap. When did we last see a senior player doing that? Because this was primarily a team effort I will just mention two names:

Harvey Thomas at no.8 has the size, skill and most of all presence to go on. He wreaked havoc amongst the opposition in many aspects of the game. He could be a top player

Madoc Evans at fly half seems to have all the skills that CLJ had last year. Perhaps more. A year behind CLJ and growing on under the cover of all the CLJ noise might be the best thing for him. But he looks to be a very complete fly half.
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Originally posted by John John wrote:

After the frustrations of yesterday, the hope of age grade rugby. Yes, there should always be hope at U18s- even the cold clammy fingers of the WRU can't fully extinguish that. So the score- 40- 7 to us or 6 tries to 1. I'm not sure if more than 1 conversion was missed. Only 2 names that I recognise from last year Jac Cloke at 7 and Alfie Luger- some name for a scrum half. 

They played like a team and did the basics really well. They have even been coached to take the ball at pace, coming from deep and running straight at a gap. When did we last see a senior player doing that? Because this was primarily a team effort I will just mention two names:

Harvey Thomas at no.8 has the size, skill and most of all presence to go on. He wreaked havoc amongst the opposition in many aspects of the game. He could be a top player

Madoc Evans at fly half seems to have all the skills that CLJ had last year. Perhaps more. A year behind CLJ and growing on under the cover of all the CLJ noise might be the best thing for him. But he looks to be a very complete fly half.




Pardon my ignorance Jophn but I am assuming its the Scarlets 18's - who were they playing? If Scarlets 18's - Scott take a bow. 
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Scarlets U18s v RGC (Sunday, January 11; Llandovery RFC; 14:30)

15 Rhys Wyatt (Coleg y Cymoedd, Llantwit Fardre RFC); 14 Owain Llyr Hywel (Ysgol Penweddig, Aberyswyth RFC), 13 Jayden Brown (Llandovery College, Porthcawl RFC), 12 Harri Davies (Ammanford College, Llandeilo RFC), 11 Noa Harries (Llandovery College, Newcastle Emlyn RFC); 10 Madoc Evans (Coleg Sir Gar, Tenby RFC), 9 Alfie Luger (Llandovery College, Tenby RFC), 1 Ceian Lewis (Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd), 2 Cole Lacey (Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd), 3 Ollie Tucker (Llandovery College, Tenby RFC), 4 Hefin Hughes (Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd RFC), 5 Ifan Gravell-Jones (Ysgol y Strade, Burry Port RFC), 6 Keir Creasey (Ysgol Penweddig, Aberystwyth RFC), 7 Jac Cloke (capt; Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd), 8 Harvey Thomas (Llandovery College, Haverfordwest RFC)

Reps: 16 Noah Evans (Gower College, Llandeilo RFC), 17 Sam Cawsey (Llandovery College, South Gower RFC), 18 Dai Thomas (Ysgol Dyffryn Amman, Amman Utd), 19 Ryan Lanfear (Ysgol y Strade, Burry Port RFC), 20 Austin Sandford (Ysgol Penglais, Aberystwyth RFC), 21 Aled Skyrme (Christ College Brecon, Gwernyfed RFC), 22 Deio Thomas (Hartpury College, Newcastle Emlyn RFC), 23 James Bentley (Ysgol Dyffryn Amman, Amman Utd RFC).
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

After the frustrations of yesterday, the hope of age grade rugby. Yes, there should always be hope at U18s- even the cold clammy fingers of the WRU can't fully extinguish that. So the score- 40- 7 to us or 6 tries to 1. I'm not sure if more than 1 conversion was missed. Only 2 names that I recognise from last year Jac Cloke at 7 and Alfie Luger- some name for a scrum half. 

They played like a team and did the basics really well. They have even been coached to take the ball at pace, coming from deep and running straight at a gap. When did we last see a senior player doing that? Because this was primarily a team effort I will just mention two names:

Harvey Thomas at no.8 has the size, skill and most of all presence to go on. He wreaked havoc amongst the opposition in many aspects of the game. He could be a top player

Madoc Evans at fly half seems to have all the skills that CLJ had last year. Perhaps more. A year behind CLJ and growing on under the cover of all the CLJ noise might be the best thing for him. But he looks to be a very complete fly half.




Pardon my ignorance Jophn but I am assuming its the Scarlets 18's - who were they playing? If Scarlets 18's - Scott take a bow. 

Yes Scarlets v RGC. There will be tougher oppostion in the weeks to come. And yes Scott is one of the coaches. They look like a well coached team but last year, so were the Os and Cardiff. There are quite a few very good youngish coaches about inspite of Reddin-originated propaganda.
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  Great news! thanks John!
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Tougher games to come (although it was a 33-33 draw earlier this season between these two), but a good start.

Cardiff next week...probably the strongest team.

Congrats to the boys.

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Originally posted by John John wrote:

After the frustrations of yesterday, the hope of age grade rugby. Yes, there should always be hope at U18s- even the cold clammy fingers of the WRU can't fully extinguish that. So the score- 40- 7 to us or 6 tries to 1. I'm not sure if more than 1 conversion was missed. Only 2 names that I recognise from last year Jac Cloke at 7 and Alfie Luger- some name for a scrum half. 

They played like a team and did the basics really well. They have even been coached to take the ball at pace, coming from deep and running straight at a gap. When did we last see a senior player doing that? Because this was primarily a team effort I will just mention two names:

Harvey Thomas at no.8 has the size, skill and most of all presence to go on. He wreaked havoc amongst the opposition in many aspects of the game. He could be a top player

Madoc Evans at fly half seems to have all the skills that CLJ had last year. Perhaps more. A year behind CLJ and growing on under the cover of all the CLJ noise might be the best thing for him. But he looks to be a very complete fly half.




Are these games on the internet somewhere to watch?
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Originally posted by brookesford brookesford wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

After the frustrations of yesterday, the hope of age grade rugby. Yes, there should always be hope at U18s- even the cold clammy fingers of the WRU can't fully extinguish that. So the score- 40- 7 to us or 6 tries to 1. I'm not sure if more than 1 conversion was missed. Only 2 names that I recognise from last year Jac Cloke at 7 and Alfie Luger- some name for a scrum half. 

They played like a team and did the basics really well. They have even been coached to take the ball at pace, coming from deep and running straight at a gap. When did we last see a senior player doing that? Because this was primarily a team effort I will just mention two names:

Harvey Thomas at no.8 has the size, skill and most of all presence to go on. He wreaked havoc amongst the opposition in many aspects of the game. He could be a top player

Madoc Evans at fly half seems to have all the skills that CLJ had last year. Perhaps more. A year behind CLJ and growing on under the cover of all the CLJ noise might be the best thing for him. But he looks to be a very complete fly half.




Are these games on the internet somewhere to watch?

I doubt it. Yes we had a camera there, which was connected to a laptop, studied by an analyst. And I hope, in the spirit of decency, the film would be made available to RGC. But that I suspect, is as far as it would go.
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Did Ryan Lanfear come on I work with a guy who seems to think he is a bit special, a usual story looks like he’s too small for backrow and he’s been advised to learn to play hooker.
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Can’t see us wanting to broadcast our young talent for other clubs to have a look at.

Appreciate the report, John. Big 8 please!
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Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Did Ryan Lanfear come on I work with a guy who seems to think he is a bit special, a usual story looks like he’s too small for backrow and he’s been advised to learn to play hooker.

Yes, and played in the back row with Harvey Thomas moving into the second row. As the match wore on and the subs came on, our pack got more and more dominant. I would not want to credit any individual because it was a team effort. They can expect rougher, tougher packs in the weeks to come. Our two starting locks for instance look far to slight to play as locks but wreaked havoc with the RGC lineout. If they can do that for the other games, they're good prospects but, somewhere, there's some big bullies to come.

Unfortunately, size or lack of it, eliminates alot of youngstersfrom being top class players.
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I’m drawn on this issue of the obsession with size it shouldn’t be the end of somebody’s career being undersized but often is.

I’d like to see the best metric is the effect a player has on the game.
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Deaves and Tom Bowen are 2 quite small players, but both more than make up for it in other way. I think that size if properly developed equates to power and that is essential. Of course for most forward positions (except perhaps 2 and 7) you won't get very far without bulk AND determination.
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I’m drawn on this issue of the obsession with size it shouldn’t be the end of somebody’s career being undersized but often is.

I’d like to see the best metric is the effect a player has on the game.
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Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

I’m drawn on this issue of the obsession with size it shouldn’t be the end of somebody’s career being undersized but often is.

I’d like to see the best metric is the effect a player has on the game.


Being a success in rugby will always be about the size of the ticker, not the size of the frame...

There's an argument ( with several cases in mind) that being a 'massive lad' at age grade attracts high expectations from all quarters, drives a degree of complacency in the player, and quite often ends poorly for all.

Of course a 6'6" /19 stone 2nd row who loves a rumble is very desirable!
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One of the most useless players I’ve ever seen was that dap Will.

To say he had zero speed would have been generous to him he constantly stood on my toes and ran into my running line making me unable to tackle.

Big things were expected of him as his old man had won Welsh Youth Caps he finally left our club to join a team worse than ours, his first game for them he came on as a sub then was subbed after 20 mins.

As you say mindset is more important I’ve seen players half “big lad above” size but hit harder just through being up for a battle.

I hear the same story every year about the Pro teams saying players need to change to Hooker or Prop and I don’t like it.

I was tall so got put into the second row but that wasn’t my strength a decent coach would see that my strength was my fitness and getting to more rucks mauls and being able to get turnovers not by being strong but by beating the opposition to breakdowns.

My point being it’s hugely frustrating to be played out of position and not being able to show your best.
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