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    Posted: 10 November 2025 at 8:08am
Id go with
15 Murray
14 LRZ
13 Tompkins
12 Hawkins
11 Rogers
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Smith
2 Lake
3 Griffin
4 Davies
5 Jenkins
6 cracknell
7 Reffell
8 Morse

16 Anyone but Belcher
17 Carre
18 Coleman
19 Beard
20 Wsinwright
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Adams

Im not a fan of tompkins but he cant be wirse than what we saw yesterdsy. If Tandy doednt call up Reffell theres something wrong big time
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I think Murray will be replaced by Betham and Rogers by LRZ.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GPR - Rochester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 November 2025 at 9:04am
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Id go with
15 Murray
14 LRZ
13 Tompkins
12 Hawkins
11 Rogers
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Smith
2 Lake
3 Griffin
4 Davies
5 Jenkins
6 cracknell
7 Reffell
8 Morse

16 Anyone but Belcher
17 Carre
18 Coleman
19 Beard
20 Wsinwright
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Adams

Im not a fan of tompkins but he cant be wirse than what we saw yesterdsy. If Tandy doednt call up Reffell theres something wrong big time

Assiratti did Ok in fairness but he doesn't make your 23. I would call up Deaves ahead of Reffell - more dynamic. Hennessey not Tompkons & I would start Jarrod. 
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Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Id go with
15 Murray
14 LRZ
13 Tompkins
12 Hawkins
11 Rogers
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Smith
2 Lake
3 Griffin
4 Davies
5 Jenkins
6 cracknell
7 Reffell
8 Morse

16 Anyone but Belcher
17 Carre
18 Coleman
19 Beard
20 Wsinwright
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Adams

Im not a fan of tompkins but he cant be wirse than what we saw yesterdsy. If Tandy doednt call up Reffell theres something wrong big time
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I'd put Morse at 7, not big enough for an international 8.
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For me...

15 Rogers (I don't know when and why he was permanently moved to the wing).

14 Murray (almost every top team has a small winger and manages)
13 Llewellyn (I like Hennessey but he's raw).
12 Tompkins (Only other option at 12 really. I've never been a fan but you can't deny he's in form for his club. He's not a 13. I'd be tempted to try Llewellyn there but that seems like a big ask)
11 LRZ
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Carre (Thought the scrum was fine when he was on)
2 Lake
3 Griffin (Assiratti did play better than he thought he would mind so he gets on the bench).
4 Davies (Still don't see what Beard adds. It must be all the 'unseen' work because I never see it!)
5 Jenkins
6 Plumtree (Convinced he's a test match animal and won't give away any more pens than Mann - but I did also think Mann played better than expected. Certainly gave 100% and top tackler).
7 Morse (Hybrid back-rower really, but then I wouldn't say Savea is a textbook 7 either).
8 Wainwright

16 Coghlan
17 Smith
18 Assiratti
19 Thomas
20 Deaves / Reffell depending who he calls up.
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Beetham
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

For me...

15 Rogers (I don't know when and why he was permanently moved to the wing).

14 Murray (almost every top team has a small winger and manages)
13 Llewellyn (I like Hennessey but he's raw).
12 Tompkins (Only other option at 12 really. I've never been a fan but you can't deny he's in form for his club. He's not a 13. I'd be tempted to try Llewellyn there but that seems like a big ask)
11 LRZ
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Carre (Thought the scrum was fine when he was on)
2 Lake
3 Griffin (Assiratti did play better than he thought he would mind so he gets on the bench).
4 Davies (Still don't see what Beard adds. It must be all the 'unseen' work because I never see it!)
5 Jenkins
6 Plumtree (Convinced he's a test match animal and won't give away any more pens than Mann - but I did also think Mann played better than expected. Certainly gave 100% and top tackler).
7 Morse (Hybrid back-rower really, but then I wouldn't say Savea is a textbook 7 either).
8 Wainwright

16 Coghlan
17 Smith
18 Assiratti
19 Thomas
20 Deaves / Reffell depending who he calls up.
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Beetham

Not too dissimilar to yours:

15 Rogers (Same reasoning, I prefer to see him at FB - everyone missed tackles on the weekend which could be put down to getting used to a new defensive system)
14 Murray (But against NZ and SA, Josh Adams might be the better option - I think he should have an opportunity though)
13 Hennessey (Same reasoning, which is why I'd give him a chance now as he won't get an opportunity for the rest of the series, Llewelyn is probably a safer option though)
12 Hawkins (Best out of the options available in my opinion, shame he hasn't had more game time in the build up but I think he has more potential than the other options as he can be the 2nd playmaker as well as truck it up)
11 LRZ (he looked a little gassed running off the mark at times on the weekend so could be risky if he's not entirely match fit but not sure how he can be left out as I want Beetham to get an opportunity although without the experience to start Beetham takes the bench spot)
10 Edwards
Williams

Carre (I think we're better to start him then replace him when he's gassed, even if that's at 35 mins, rather than bring him on at a set point later in the game)
Lake
Griffin (Same reasoning)
Beard (I think we need the experience)
Jenkins
Mann (Played well so doesn't deserve to be replaced)
Taine Plumtree (Has played openside at Scarlets, dynamic, and again need someone with test experience and I prefer if we used players originally called up who have had more time in camp)
Wainwright

16 Coghlan
17 Smith
18 Assiratti
19 Ben Carter (Offers leadership) or James Fender (a lot of hype around his abilities) (Both will also be necessary in the final test as only Welsh based players available so will need game time so would be tempted to even start Ben Carter in place of Beard or Jenkins)
20 Morgan Morse (Can cover the back row and needs experience)
21 Hardy
22 Sheedy (see what he can do before the remaining tests - he'll also have to play during the SA game anyway with Evans going back to Quins so will need some game time)
23 Beetham (see what he can do before the remaining tests)
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Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Id go with
15 Murray
14 LRZ
13 Tompkins
12 Hawkins
11 Rogers
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Smith
2 Lake
3 Griffin
4 Davies
5 Jenkins
6 cracknell
7 Reffell
8 Morse

16 Anyone but Belcher
17 Carre
18 Coleman
19 Beard
20 Wsinwright
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Adams

Im not a fan of tompkins but he cant be wirse than what we saw yesterdsy. If Tandy doednt call up Reffell theres something wrong big time


Apologies, 6 & 8 wrong way round and i forgot about Hennesey. Id have him before Tompkins. I wouldnt have sheedy near the team
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Lets face it Tandy is between a rock & a hard place with not too many options available. I would hope that he doesn't feel too conservative as its Japan next week. I would suggest -

15. Beatham 14. LRZ 13. Hennessey 12. Hawkins 11. Adams 10. Jarrod Evans 9. Tomos
1. Smith 2. Lake 3. Assirrati 4. Beard 5. Jenkins 6. Plumtree 7. Morse 8. Wainwright

16. Belcher 17. Carre 18. Griffin 19. Thomas 20. Cracknell 21. Hardy 22. Edwards 23. Murray. 
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Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

For me...

15 Rogers (I don't know when and why he was permanently moved to the wing).

14 Murray (almost every top team has a small winger and manages)
13 Llewellyn (I like Hennessey but he's raw).
12 Tompkins (Only other option at 12 really. I've never been a fan but you can't deny he's in form for his club. He's not a 13. I'd be tempted to try Llewellyn there but that seems like a big ask)
11 LRZ
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Carre (Thought the scrum was fine when he was on)
2 Lake
3 Griffin (Assiratti did play better than he thought he would mind so he gets on the bench).
4 Davies (Still don't see what Beard adds. It must be all the 'unseen' work because I never see it!)
5 Jenkins
6 Plumtree (Convinced he's a test match animal and won't give away any more pens than Mann - but I did also think Mann played better than expected. Certainly gave 100% and top tackler).
7 Morse (Hybrid back-rower really, but then I wouldn't say Savea is a textbook 7 either).
8 Wainwright

16 Coghlan
17 Smith
18 Assiratti
19 Thomas
20 Deaves / Reffell depending who he calls up.
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Beetham

Looks like a reasonable selection...

I might prefer LRZ at 15 with Rogers on the wing. Beard actually did OK, I thought - and Jenkins was anonymous, so not sure about that. Plumtree definitely plays some part, if fit. 
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Jenkins made 18 tackles and Beard 14. I agree Beard did OK. But he always seems to just do OK. 

Jenkins really DOES do a lot of unseen work. You don't captain Exeter and be a mug. 

I don't think LRZ wants to play FB.
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LRZ looked completely out on his feet after his first chip and chase, he’s going to take a few matches to gain his fitness back.
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I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.
Gatland was right he is a wasted talent no way is he fit, I suppose he gets away with it at Saracens because he is playing with better players. 
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.

Wales has to move to the NZ style where bigger players play up in junior rugby. There's enough big Welsh rugby players around but they've coasted so much for so long that they're just a bit soft and haven't developed enough.
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Gate, youre right. I remember when i was in school a yr7 (form1 at the time) boy stood at 6ft 3. He was st least a foot taller than everyone else. Give him the ball and he scored everytime. He was never challenged because he never had any opposition. He vould have gone far, but 9 years later he was playing against me in division 3 West. Prime example
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