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    Posted: 10 March 2013 at 5:27pm
I can't help noticing that players are moving accross the line of sight of a player taking a penalty kick at goal. There was a glaring example today when Italy missed a very kickable shot.  It used to be the case that players had to stand perfectly still when a penalty was being taken.  Has there been a rule change that those of us who want to see fair play have missed?
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Law 21: Penalty and Free Kicks
If the kicker indicates to the referee the intent to kick at goal, the opposing team must stand still with their hands by their sides from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is kicked.
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Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Law 21: Penalty and Free Kicks
If the kicker indicates to the referee the intent to kick at goal, the opposing team must stand still with their hands by their sides from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is kicked.
 
There is an awful lot of gamesmanship going on then.  Referees should should administer the rule.  Can a kicker appeal if he feels he has been distracted?
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If they move & the kicker misses, let the kick be retaken. They'll soon stop.
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Have noticed a few times down Parc y Scarlets when we are taking kicks an opposition player goes down and a physio comes on and quite often it is in line with the kicker's vision, surely this should not be allowed as it must be a distraction!
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Originally posted by 9331101972 9331101972 wrote:


Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Law 21: Penalty and Free Kicks     
                                                  

                                             
                                             
If the kicker indicates to the referee the intent to kick at goal, the opposing team must <span>stand still</span> with their hands by their sides from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is kicked.

                                        

                                        
               
               


 
There is an awful lot of gamesmanship going on then.  Referees should should administer the rule.  Can a kicker appeal if he feels he has been distracted?




Just saw an incident like it in the Kings S15 game re-run this morning...player started runnig towards the kicker before he started his run up...kicker missed, ref pinged the runner and the kick was re-taken...replay showed ref was spot on.
(He kicked it second time).
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During the Wales v Scotland match, as 1/2p is lining up a penalty, Hamilton (IIRC) is standing 10m away with his hands on his head, technically contravening the laws, which I thought he was at the time, yet the ref just let's play carry on.

Something which the Scots may have looked into to put him off as he missed a few on Sarurday?
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Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

During the Wales v Scotland match, as 1/2p is lining up a penalty, Hamilton (IIRC) is standing 10m away with his hands on his head, technically contravening the laws, which I thought he was at the time, yet the ref just let's play carry on.

Something which the Scots may have looked into to put him off as he missed a few on Sarurday?

Must've been in Joubert's blind spot.
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Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Law 21: Penalty and Free Kicks
If the kicker indicates to the referee the intent to kick at goal, the opposing team must stand still with their hands by their sides from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is kicked.


Indeed.

Scarletman - why don't international (class) referees apply this law? They seem extra finicky about some other ones...?

Players are always moving about, or putting their hands behind their heads, then removing them... and so on.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Law 21: Penalty and Free Kicks
If the kicker indicates to the referee the intent to kick at goal, the opposing team must stand still with their hands by their sides from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is kicked.


Indeed.

Scarletman - why don't international (class) referees apply this law? They seem extra finicky about some other ones...?

Players are always moving about, or putting their hands behind their heads, then removing them... and so on.


I've just asked the IRB to forward me all their mobiles so I can ask them ! Wink LOL

That is a question I will never answer, as mind reading/psychology are not my strongest subjects ! Shocked
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Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Law 21: Penalty and Free Kicks
If the kicker indicates to the referee the intent to kick at goal, the opposing team must stand still with their hands by their sides from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is kicked.


Indeed.

Scarletman - why don't international (class) referees apply this law? They seem extra finicky about some other ones...?

Players are always moving about, or putting their hands behind their heads, then removing them... and so on.


I've just asked the IRB to forward me all their mobiles so I can ask them ! Wink LOL

That is a question I will never answer, as mind reading/psychology are not my strongest subjects ! Shocked


Indeed! Just thought that maybe you meet some of these people at ref's conferences or whatever...
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OK, here's a good one.  As "the opposing team must stand still with their hands by their sides from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is kicked", then what about after he has kicked?  

I'm thinking of our HC semi final against Leicester back in the day, and THAT kick.  What if two players had lifted a third player, who caught the ball just before it skimmed over the bar, and thus prevented the score?  Would that be allowed?


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If I'm not mistaken didn't something like that happen at Stradey against Gloucester in the HC. Ian Jones was lifted right in front of the posts and knocked it down, if my memory serves me right. The strange thing was that no deliberate knock on was given.
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It was indeed against Gloucester in the home game (the away game was the one where they dropped a goal and it bounced over via our prop's backside).

I'm sure that if it happened today it would surely be a yellow card for preventing a scoring opportunity.

At the time, the ref gave us a scrum for a knock on.
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That scam of lifting a player to knock the ball down was outlawed soon after it started. Although as Abbey says, it was always a knock-on and a scrum under the posts.
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Didn't Martin Roberts get pinged for something like this at Y Parc recently, and the ref awarded the kick to be taken a second time?
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